Kirk Franklin Has a Tense Conversation with Lecrae

One could make the argument that there is none greater in the gospel space than Kirk Franklin (even though he wouldn't want us to say that).

One could also say that there is none more polarizing than Kirk either and that's EXACTLY what we are diving into on the Deep End today folks.

Join us as we talk Christian celebrity culture, Kirk's time performing at the White House, AND more.

Let's go. 🤿

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Chapter Markers:
0:00 - Introduction
0:54 - Today's Guest, Kirk Franklin and His History with Lecrae
7:46 - Download The BSIDE App
8:05 - Representing the Christian Music Genre, Getting Over Trauma
14:40 - Public Opinion, Embracing Criticism and Judgment
20:37 - Maintaining Passion for the Lord
24:14 - Spiritual Temperament Before and After His Fall
30:08 - Isolated Christianity, Lonely People
31:49 - Social Media, Couple Goals, Weaponizing Marriage
37:19 - Soul Check: Navigating Truth and Perspective
42:08 - Excellence in the Industry
45:16 - That's Shocking, Humbling Moments
47:40 - My Convictions Say No
50:49 - Christian Celebrity Dichotomy, The Need for Humility
59:56 - Kingdom Work, Rejected by the Tribe
1:02:20 - Fashion Offense
1:04:37 - Wrapping Up the Conversation

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[ginapeterson]

I weep with you over the state of Christianity today. I have questioned for years if I am wrong in the way I see things because the majority of other Christians are embracing what is promoted in today's churches. Then the Holy Spirit reminded me that the road is narrow.

[MsAmarie]

I recently met Kirk Franklin in Irving, TX at a restaurant. It was the day after his last tour date (November). He looked really tired but when I asked, he took a picture with me. He really is down to Earth and humble.

[RC-xkke]

"The fear of God is different from being afraid of God" that's a statement that shouldn't be overlooked, absolute gem

[AviMarie]

I’m only 23 minutes in and this interview is really surprising me… I’m one of those people that stopped listening to Kirk’s new music because it just didn’t have that anointing in my opinion like his old stuff… I also stepped back from his ministry in general because he comes off as so worldly… Listening to him now and him saying “I don’t always get it right” really touched me, because none of us do. I know I won’t agree but he seems really genuine. Thank you for this interview!!!

[ausomekidz]

"Quietly secretly dying" i cant express how accurate that was. The human shame we feel for being HUMAN is insane. And it is sad that we cant just talk about things openly with other christians without feeling or being judged instead of being embraced and saying "ME TOO! I STRUGGLE WITH THAT TOO." The devil has this pinned down and its sad we dont realize it. Thank you Lecrae for this beautiful talk and Kirk for your honesty. Wish we had more talks like this with other christians <3 love u both

[wadeoradio]

Kirk may be the most misunderstood, understood celebrity. This convo will be legendary.

[gavinwickham]

This Kirk and Lecrae interview is like watching Iron Man and Superman bond about being superheroes.

[simbalesliechoto]

At this point Kirk Franklin has become the pinata for Christians. Pray for this man.

[dunamismen]

I can't imagine the shock you guys must have gone through as young men being exposed to the filth of the THEN dealing with the filth that comes from "christendom". It must have all been shocking. Thank you guys for peeling back the layers and letting us
and LECRAE, THANK YOU for coming to Hutchins State Jail with your father-in-law back in 2009. I had wanted to see you in concert for the longest....and then I ended up in prison after falling on my face, and there you were! Crazy. Keep doing what God called you guys to do!! Forever 116.

[chihuahua]

1 John 2:15-17
Do not love this world nor the things it offers you, for when you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever.

[thelovelymissmonica]

They could never make me h8 Kirk...
Some of his songs have lifted me up out of some very deep dark places...

[ashleyreed]

My heart ached when Kirk said, 'It has become the norm for modern Christianity to crucify rather than to redeem.' This painful truth reveals just how far the body of Christ has strayed from truly reflecting the heart of Christ.😞🙏🏾

[NiecyValentine]

Kirk has not just worked with legendary iconic people, he IS legendary and iconic people.

[umc]

I’m a mom of a teen girl who I love more than you can know. We adopted her when she was a year from Asia. Hearing Kirk talk about being abandoned breaks my heart on so many levels. I would love to hear some helpful and godly advice as how to best help my child heal from the hurt.

[mlumbra]

The duplicity of “Christians” that Kirk speaks of is disappointing and hurtful for sure, but I know what it often means, for the Lord has told us that not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. He says “I never knew you.” So beware and be wise. Many wolves have entered the pen.

[johnettahorton]

I don't know that I've laughed harder at any other of your interviews than this one! Felt like I was sitting in watching my boy cousins have a grown man convo. Loved it!

[ketajones]

I will be honest, i have had a bad taste in my mouth about him for a while. But after this interview he gained some of my respect back, his heart seems really genuine for the Lord.😊

[emmanuelwepngong]

Truth is truth no matter how hard we try to twist it.

[blessedbythebest]

It all stems from something! We are a work in progress and God will lead us every step of the way! Thank you Kirk Franklin for sharing your testimony!

[UncleNath]

I am so glad you are doing interviews now as well. This is Christian interviews without all the corny stuff or PC talking points. Keep em coming, mate. This is so needed.