The Most IGNORANT Thing I've Ever Seen

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[Turkeyfry]

This is my FD. This fire happened over a decade ago. The issue was we had only 1500 gallons of usable water on scene. This is a very rural area at the time and a school was next door with a 6” well and two 3000 Collin above grade water tanks for fire suppression at the school. The 2 hydrants in front of the school were clearly visible and the FD did hook up to them.the issue was the water system was not functioning properly and you would have had to pull a draft off those particular hydrants. Tender operations were started but that took to long and I believed the initial attack engine failed to go into pump, even manually. This house was built in 1920 with heart pine wood that was loaded with sap and burns like gasoline. Plus the officer Battalon chief, was not a good operational leader. Put all that together and the FD had no chance of saving this house. I can say since this fire big changes have happened. This unfortunate is and always will be a black eye to our FD. And even thought I was not on this fire I, we use it to motivate us to not let this happen again.

[coldnorthAK]

There are a LOT of volunteer fire depts. So imagine wearing bunker gear in the heat doing the best you can, and you have some onlooker throwing in his two cents. But that onlooker won’t volunteer his time, sweat, blood to become a member of the VFD.

[christwohill]

"911, do you need police, EMS, or Dave and the guys?"

[TGraysChannels]

Lt. here on a very thinly manned volunteer station. We have fewer than two or three fires a year. Our community of about 5, 000 and we have, maybe six volunteers that can wear gear, only three will show up.

We do what we can.

[aydenharrington]

If they are so ignorant then why doesn't he join the fire service himself

[deanhoward]

I am a retired Volunteer Fire Captain/ E.M.T & I am also a graduate of the N.M. state Fire academy, which most volunteers are not; in this scenario, yes I would do a 360' degrees size up & depending on water supply & man power available, I would pull at least one hand line on the visible outside Fire, & then a second line inside the building/ house & depending on how far the fire had extended & man power I would like to get a 3rd line on the second story. As for " Randy "& his guys, I would have let them continue spraying water on the fire until my crew could get in place!

[JukeboxJoeB]

I have no experience whatsoever with firefighting, but I'll tell you one thing. I used to work for many years on a volunteer ambulance squad in the early 90's, and the majority of men and women I was working with barely knew what the heck they were doing. They were people who genuinely cared about helping others, but as a result of their being little to no qualifications to join and to remain a member, poor and limited training, poor leadership, and outdated equipment, their skills and abilities were greatly limited. So I would assume many volunteer fire departments suffer from similar issues.

[mikefargo]

Never forget that a community gets the level of service that they pay for. FD's that are well trained, aggressive, have outstanding command & control and can adapt to any changing situation... train for this, practice this and utilize those principles on every incident (big or small) on a daily basis. Funding, Training & Experience are the keys to success on the fireground.

[pb]

"They made things worse. "

Putting water on a fire NEVER makes things worse!!

I mean a structural fire, not a tanker of petroleum obviously.

[gatormurphy]

I'm a retired firefghter. You can sit and armchair quarterback a video like this all day, but until you know all the factors that were in play, you're just flapping your gums. Sometimes you can't see key elements or know facts that could change you your attack should be handled. Two things I will say though....looks like they had a charged line the entire time of the video, and just to clarify, yes, you CAN push fire.

[Logan-eozq]

Fun fact: in Farmington Maine captains have white helmets and the reflective spots on the helmets are gray. also at 0:41 you hear that alarm, thats a pass alarm

[ironsurvival]

As a firefighter paramedic I don’t need to be told by IC what to do when I have a charged line and Fire visible from the structure. Get water on the Fire asap.

[lp]

UL FSRI did a fairly in depth study that included research into water "pushing" fire and found that it does not. Yes, a fire stream will entrain air which can provide some additional oxygen to a fire, but in terms of causing a fire to grow substantially or move to other areas of the structure the research showed it doesn't work that way and water certainly does not push fire that way.

[LeadLunatic]

So glad your back! Hope everything is going well. Just want to say thank you for all of your videos, you’ve helped tremendously. Helped me get out of private AMB into a volley spot, then a career spot, and now the dream department. Huge thanks again. Love the vids and the info.

[Beautylifestyle]

My fire department didn’t check on us to make sure we were ok complete negligence every man for himself

[kallen]

You can’t push fire with water.

(*except class B fires)

You can change the flow path in a structure with water. The amount of air that’s entrained by a hose stream can be up to 7500 CFM, which is significant.

When you change the air flow, you change where the heat goes.

[mycents]

Dave and his guys were kicking butt. Don't forget they were in tee shirts with no air packs. not like they could go inside thru smoke. You didn't start this video at the FD arrival. They funbled around out front before this video starts. That's where the frustration begins.

[mas]

Thank you for your detailed analysis! So many people are quick to arm chair quarterback while hiding behind their cell phones.

[jumpwer]

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the videos on the interview process. I got into the reserve program at the fire department where I go to college and I’m enjoying every minute of training.

[georgemartin]

Lots to address here. What kind of truck did they have? Was it a Quint, Ladder truck, Pumper truck or Engine? HOW many FF in total were on scene, MOST apparatus carry four FF's plus and Officer. Was there a hydrant nearby and were they able to hook up to it or do they have to Draft and transport water from a remote location? Usually, the second Engine in makes the connection. The fire vented itself so breaking out that window COULD HAVE allowed a good angle on the fire to push the heat, gases and flames out of the engulfed area and into the area thats been vented, therefore making the attack much more effective if using a cone instead of a solid stream. It appears that only ONE OFFICER was on scene with bare minimal manpower. With NO RESCUE TEAM STANDING BY and leaving the other 3 in the back unsupervised. He had no choice but to keep his interior attack team out! You also had no safty officer on scene. Can't forget that the avarage truck holds about 1, 500 - 2, 000 gallons of water and one hose line, at 80psi pumping 800 - 1, 000+ gpm will drain that tank in a few minutes..2 hand lines will drain it in SECONDS so now your deep into RESOURCE MANAGEMENT! Where was the RIT Team? They had none due to lack of man power. I assume that they already called for another engine or at least for Mutual Aid/Man Power.
Under the conditions that were seen in the video, I'd NEVER send an attack line through the front due to the lack of man power and and lack of a Safty Offiicer's oversight.
That one lonely Officer's sole responsibility, at that time, was to THE SAFTY OF HIS MEN and NOT so much the house UNTIL the second out or Mutual Aid crews arrived to launch a very aggressive attack from the "A" side in coordination with the " C " side. There's absolutely no question that those civilians on that hand line helped those men out by knocking down those flames with water and the steam generated by it while having no PPE.
You KNOW those civies were feeling the heat BUT they stood their ground.
That Officer seemed to have good situational awareness and he sure wasn't stupid considering the resources he had at that exact moment in time!