Who is misguided? The Salafis or the Asharis | Sheikh dr. Haitham al-Haddad.

[tomshop]

Surah Ali' Imran-7 It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muḥammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific.1 As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allāh. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

[LadooCrew]

The vast majority of the ummah the sawad al adham is ashari maturidi hands down no competition 1200 years of tawattur. We accept ahle athar as ahlus sunnah as we love all four madhabs. The only problem issue and extremism is the najdi dawah this is the biggest obstacle and fitna in this ummah. They are neither hanbalis nor zahiris or salafis. Take out the fitna of the najdi dawah and belive me everyone gets along fine all of the four schools are ahlus sunnah.

[khallil]

Glorifying or not, in the end there is one truth, and Allah 3azza wa Jalla is the creator of space and time, not a part of His creation, and nothing is similar to Him.

[RashidpakAlb]

Allah Ta'ala said in Quran that, he is above the throne.

[Bananaabdi]

Asking transcendent questions can lead to distorting the nature of allah which none of us know with certain knowledge in perception.

[MoeedKhan]

great scholars like imam ibn hajr asqalani and imam nawawi also asharis

[abdisheikh]

the headline itself is wrong because there are no salafis today, the wahabis call themselves salafis and they pretend to be or following the salafu saalixiin (r, a) when we know that they are against the salafu saalihiin because wahabais (pseudo salafis) are against the 4 madhabs of ahlusuna whose Imams were salafu saalihiin r.a. the other thing, he is lying about asharis. and he does not know ahlusuna are asharis and matuuridis for for 1200 years. so the speaker is misqguided and misleading the lay people.

[GharibBFulan]

It seems to me, people really miss the heart of the matter when it comes to the athari/ashari divide. It isn't a simple matter of arriving at 2 different conclusions while attempting to glorify Allah. This is not a simple difference of opinion on peripheral issues the way scholars differ in fiqh. It is an issue of أصول (fundamentals) and methodology.

The athari approach is to follow the quran and sunnah according to the understanding of the 3 pious generations. The evidences are gathered and that which was originally intended is searched for (exegesis).

The ashari approach (and to be honest, it is the approach of all of the people of kalam) is to first prove Allah's existence rationally. While forming these prepositional arguments, assumptions are made about the essence and being of Allah. Those assumptions often conflict with the apparent meaning of the quran. The solution is to take any problematic evidence metaphorically, as disregarding these conclusions is to disregard the faculty that arrived at the existence of Allah. The goal is not to find the intended meaning of these texts. Rather, meanings are read into the text (eisegesis).

It is reported that:
"Imam Ash-Shafi'i, after he debated Hafs Al-Fard, hated Kalam (rational theology). He used to say, 'By Allah, it is better for a scholar to make a fatwa and it is said that the scholar has made an error than for him to speak (يتكلم) and it is said that he is a heretic. And there is nothing more hated to me than kalam and its people.'"
Imam Ash-Shafi'i is demonstrating that there is a difference in mistakes in fundamentals and approach and mistakes in peripheral issues.

Furthermore, Allah says in the Quran,
وكذلك أوحينا إليك روحا من أمرنا ما كنت تدري ما الكتاب ولا إيمان
"And thus we sent to you an inspiration and a mercy by our command. You knew not what the Scripture or faith was" Ash-Shuraa: 52
The prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم was more intelligent than all of us, yet he صلى الله عليه وسلم only attained guidance through revelation.
This is not a trivial difference.

[nancy]

Unfortunately intentions of glorifying Allah سبحانه وتعالى doesn't get you to jannah. Your beleifs and aqeedah does

[longegg-wind]

See how when he explained the athari view he backed it up with ayaat from the Quran

[choma]

The extreme salafi the blind follower of miaw will do takfir on this shaikh, and the divide goes on, some enemies of Islam must be benefiting from this divide as history shows

[babbars]

Ohhh.. so now i understand!
Ok so my Christian neighbor also has the same intention to Glorify his god.. hmmm things are sooo simple why did we complicate it...as long as a person has good intentions (for god) he cannot be called misguided.. right? Hmmm okkkey

[theCordobaProject]

The Ashari position of Allah not being in one place, is also the opinion of Ibn Hajjar al-Asqalani in his Fath ul-Bari when he is commenting on the hadith of Nuzul in Sahih Bukhari.

[yaqob]

Totally agree here but salafis are still outright wrong

[muminhanifa]

Al Haddad speaking about who is misguided and who isn't, the irony.

[faiazmalekzadeh]

Alhamdullilah for Ahlus Sunnah. Asharis/Maturidis. Vast Majority of Ummah

[U]

So if I believe that Allah is everywhere or is in no place or is in mind only or not allowed to even think about it. We all glorifying Allah swt then? Subhanallah.

[rifisnotmorocco]

Dit gesprek kan wel weken doorgaan en men gaat er niet uitkomen..

[abuturaab]

I have allot of respect for the shaykh but on this topic he is wrong. Only one view is correct and saheeh. The Salafi/Athari view is backed up with proof/daleel and is they way of the salaf/sahaba. Unity is only on the proof/truth. Whe must fear Allaah and speak the truth.

[aminah]

so does this mean that the Christians who also intend to glorify God are also correct?