Could Orochimaru REALLY beat Jiraiya?

Jiraiya vs Orochimaru is one of the topics that were debated far before I even read Naruto and I don't think it will ever stop being debated about but this is my take on the fight and my final take at that I don't plan on changing my opinion when it comes to this. In Base form it's pretty interchangeable you can kinda argue for either side but Sage Mode Jiraiya washes without difficulty.

[CarthusDojo]

finally Jiraiya agenda being pushed. been tired of all the slander

[marshalboyd]

If Jiraiya starts in sage mode, then I can see him winning, but there's no way Orochimaru is giving him five minutes to charge it up otherwise.

[JayJayNoelastnam]

Jiraya's versatility is slept on. He has a lot of jutsu and battlefield altering abilities.

[morgatron]

Six, form the bottom of my heart, thank you for actually making fair and logical vs battles. I wish every Naruto content creator was like you. You literally make my day.

[AhmedHussain-juxd]

Honestly, if hiruzen didn't lock away his arms. Orochimaru would have become a monster

[UnwantedGhost-anz]

I missed the Four Tailed form Naruto had. The design looks sick.

[chronoflame]

Good video but I disagree with a couple of points and ultimately think Oro wins or wins 7 times out of 10.

1. The four tail naruto feat is more impressive on Oro's end. He was sick and in a body that's rejecting him while also fighting a stronger naruto than Jiraiya did.

2. Sausake felt he was only able to beat Oro because he was sick. So he must have some way to avoid genjutsu if at full health. Being put under a genjutsu by a pain level opponent isn't a anti-feat.

3. We can take this a step further. When people are mentioned that can stop Oro Jiraiya is never reference to be able to do it. Hiruzen went straight to Minato and didn't even mention the other Sannin

[kemsolid]

When I read the title, I thought "Another video where Jiraiya gets clowned on". But no, you surprised me. This was a legit breakdown of abilities and potentialities. Thank you for finally putting some respect on Jiraiaya's name!!!

[JK_of_Today]

There’s no realistic scenario in which Jiraiya wins. Yes if we give Jiraiya cheat codes and say he starts in sage mode then he can probably pull it off. But the thing is, he’s never gonna get that opportunity. It’s been established they’re relative in base if not Orochimaru just being stronger in base. How do you expect Jiraiya to keep his hands together for 5 minutes AND fight Orochimaru? He only pulled it off against Pain because he had the most bs convenient environment imaginable to keep running away and buy time. He would most likely not get it off in any other scenario.

[serendipitouscomet]

Ocular genjutsu and sound genjutsu are different. You’re right that Orochimaru hasn’t shown any counters. But I do think being the leader of the Sound Village and teaching so many other Sound nin sound-based genjutsu suggests he would know at least some counter measure.

[AlanJia]

Ngl, if you ask me, the answer to the stuff you said at the beginning is probably answered by Jiraiya learning Sage Mode. Orochimaru is more talented and trains harder, but Jiraiya makes up for that with the massive boost from Sage Mode. As for the 4T Naruto comparisons, Orochimaru did also dodge Naruto's chakra arm, cave Naruto's face in slightly, react to his Bijuudama, and reduce the damage enough for his body to stay intact. Orochimaru pretty much only gets tagged when Naruto does an unexpected maneuver and Orochimaru had overextended, so generally it seems Armless Orochimaru is faster than 4T Naruto, who casually tagged Jiraiya, and seemingly multiple times at that since we see wounds all over his body in the flashback right before Jiraiya's battle with Pain. I just think it's generally more consistent for Orochimaru to be comparable to SM Jiraiya. Pain also kinda implies it, comparing Jiraiya to Orochimaru after he enters Sage Mode.

Also, I do agree SM Jiraiya has a higher chance than winning if Ma and Pa use Gamarinsho, but it's not like it just makes it a non fight, since Jiraiya needed to escape to prepare in pipes, and Orochimaru could try to interrupt before the genjutsu is finished.

[MrTrip]

Iirc, it's stated in the databook that the 3 sannin are all on the same level and that Jiraiya and Orichimaru have fought and drawn multiple times in the past.

Im gonna say the battle is even, and they both either kill each other or escape one another. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[TortillaBill]

The problem is we've never seen Orochimaru fight for his life. Never seen him go all out. He must know a large scale jutsu or high AP jutsu or some sick nature release, considering how many techniques he's studied. He just never narratively had an opportunity to use them.

[ghoztly]

Jiraiya stands zero chance. Why is this even a debate lmao...either Orochimaru enters with favorable conditions or he simply retreats.

[DarkEye-rezg]

In response to jiraiyas sage mode pain says all the sannin have unique powers. Could be referring to hydra here. Frog song is a oneshot but massive rasengan? Even gamabunta in previous databooks is described as big as a mountain and the serpent is larger than manda who gama is comparable in size to.

[tomlewis]

Manda was fighting 2 summons 😂, in no way is Gamabunta close in power 😂

[landendrake]

Bro clutched the upload I just rolled up😭🙏

[unknownchicken]

You do forget to mention that if Mah amd Pa are damaged jiriya loses sage mode and frog song. Being a genius orochimaru probably knows this and could keep up the attack forcing jiriya to use them defensively.

Also i kinda have a issue with you not counting edo tensei since Orochimaru can simply have human sacrifices already prepared.

Finally i think since orochimaru somehow knew the Totska blade existed he would probably know about the frog song and be prepared for it

[yamamotogotbodied]

Best Jiraiya vs Four Tails breakdown in the community if not platform period. Honestly the best Jiraiya vs Orochimaru video since it’s been done 🔥🔥

[WEAREALLJUSTMEAT]

Theres no way jiriya is going to be able to summon ma and pa its just unrealistic... also no snakes don't have ears... frog song would probably not work against it. Itatchi only beat orochimaru due to hax. You have ro be INCREDIBLY charitable to jiriya, and use nerfed orochimaru to get a win for jiriya...actually no orochimaru is only shown vulnerable to SHARINGAN genjutsu so like wheres the proof sound based genjutsu would work on him at all? Ffs he was head of the sound village and literally had a henchman with a demonic flute genjutsu... but no seriously how is jiriya getting 5 minutes unbroken to summon ma and pa., and if you want to give jiriya prep use war arc orochimaru who can use justu outside of just the onea he has tattooed... idk its literally always been consistently implied jiriya would lose, and ot really feels like were ignoring the fact that jiriya barely got ma and pa/sage mode off in a perfect environment to evade his enemy so like in an open field hows he doing it against a guy who knows all of his tricks?