Goku VS Vegeta | The Honest Truth

In this video, I go over Goku VS Vegeta over the years and break down their current strongest forms, Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego and determine who was stronger at what periods of the story, and why.

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Intro: 00:00-00:45
Warframe: 00:46-0:1:52
Saiyan Saga: 01:53-06:26
Buu Saga: 06:27-08:52
Super Anime: 08:53-11:20
Moro: 11:20-15:30
Granolah: 15:31-24:40
Outro: 24:41-25:39

[SethTheProgrammer]

I forgot COPY VEGETA!!! But it isn't too different than the manga fight. So no big deal.

[Arceusbro]

For me it's always been like this:
Vegeta definitely won their first fight and then they always were about equal, one surpassing the other at different points. Now they are almost equal with Goku maybe having the edge techniquewise

[aaronhensley]

I feel the reason why it seems Goku “unfairly” gets so much more help and training is merely because of his demeanor. He’s humble, patient, affable…I’d probably be more inclined to help him over an egotistical hot head. I feel that Vegeta is, and always will be, his own worst enemy in this regard.

[treyvonishere]

I love the rivalry. It’s classic. It’s one of the reasons Vegeta is my favorite character. He grows so much throughout the series.

[kalamantea]

Power scaling aside, it's actually great that they gave them powerups that align with their personalities. It goes beyond "who can make the bigger laser beam" and becomes more of a self discovery and "who can master themselves more" type of deal. I know it's still dragon ball to its core but yeah that minor detail is still refreshing.

[coltizz]

The difference is that Goku seeks help and is willing to learn from others, always the student mindset. While Vegeta rarely does this cuse of his pride and don’t want to learn from others. It’s kinda the point to of the show if you read between the lines that you can come far on your own but with support and help from others you can go even further.

[mementomori]

The voice Seth makes for ADs is simply too funny.
Dude manages to make one of the most convincing promotions while also sounding sarcastic. Amazing.

[batmanssgss]

Past 3-4 videos Seth has been putting out makes me feel like I'm back in pre 2020 era
Good times 😔

[loganrhill]

In my opinion I think it is much easier for vegeta to use Ultra ego to a higher degree of efficiency because it technically isn’t an angelic technique, it’s more of a power up using destructive energy. I think it’s harder for Goku to master ultra instinct to its full potential because his primal saiyan fighting instincts conflict with the calm and thoughtless nature of UI. So personally, I think vegeta is much more reliable as a fighter and much more consistent because of how much better UE suits him especially, but Goku has a higher potential with Ultra Instinct.

[drparadox]

I always had Vegeta's back

Him being second to Goku and still not giving up and even using Goku as an ispiration to climb bigger heights is beyond compelling

[sirminty]

After really spending some time thinking about it, Ultra Ego for Vegeta is very much akin to when Goku first pulled out Sign. Vegeta is clearly getting the hand of it more and more in a rapid pace, meaning his Ego is more in an infancy than Goku's Ultra Instinct currently is. Especially with how his limits have been broken, and just how much of a sheer prodigy Vegeta really is, this might be where Vegeta finally starts really taking a lead. With his limits broken by the Yardrat training, he's getting serious gains from his training, and it's very easy to say that Ultra Ego has been far more durable and impressive than Ultra Instinct, except when Goku got full on KO'd and then pulled out his giant form. Given Vegeta's sheer ability to just tank hits and keep going, he'd have easily won against Gas if it weren't for Gas' curse to always be the strongest. Ultra Ego is going to be absolutely nuts a powerup, especially when Vegeta really starts to get control of it. As of right now, he's shown no real stamina issues, but instead a limitation on the strength of his body taking damage. He's letting far too much hit him for the sake of gaining strength, which is drastically shortening his time in the form. Seeing as the pair clearly have the ability to heal damage, I reckon with more and more time Vegeta could have an endlessly growing boost from his Ego, much like the sheer growing mountain that Broly was. And that is the paragon of a Saiyan, to endlessly grow in potential and strength. As the Prince of Saiyans, and with his constant push for pride in himself and the saiyan race, Vegeta would fit having such a power.

[khalilwilson]

The rivalry would be a lot better if the writers allowed vegeta to be stronger. Every time vegeta surpasses goku in the same arc goku just gets stronger(ever since the frieza arc). Vegeta is not allowed to be the strongest for too long since he’s not the main character

[jcfrostycheesebugga]

Feel like this is the antithesis of nature vs nurture, Goku literally relies more on his Martial arts skills first then his nature second, and Vegeta relies more on his Nature first than his nurture because nurture is more pure when your young hence why it's tough for Vegeta to rely on an aspect so late in his life. It's easier for Goku because he was brought up mainly on his nurture and then he amplified it with his nature

[davidcopperfield]

For the majin vegeta vs dead goku fight i always thought vegetas advantage didn't come from strength but instead mindset. Vegeta seemed way more set on winning and beating Goku and Goku was the whole reason he turned majin, meanwhile Goku was just trying to stop vegeta and took the first opportunity to stop fighting

[StareachValcin]

For a majority of their lives, Vegeta has been naturally stronger than Goku. By the time Goku finished his training with King Kai in the saiyan saga, Vegeta was still naturally stronger. Goku had to use the kaioken to keep up with Vegeta, and multiplied it 3 and 4 times to overpower Vegeta. Then Vegeta used his great ape form to overpower and sadly defeat Goku. It was when Goku finished his training to Namek that he finally surpassed Vegeta. Even receiving a zenkai boost from the fight with Recoome, Vegeta was still worried that Goku was a super saiyan. During the fight with Frieza, while Goku was recovering, Vegeta gained a lead on Goku, until Goku fully recovered. Goku was stronger than Vegeta, and the super saiyan transformation only widened the gap. Goku maintained that advantage until Vegeta became a super saiyan, where Vegeta was definitely on par with Goku and possibly stronger. Their training in the room of spirit and time definitely shows the edge that Goku has over Vegeta. They were around the same level of power with Vegeta being possibly stronger, but when they both trained in the room, Goku became significantly stronger than Vegeta. Vegeta even went in a second time, and he couldn't catch up to Goku. Goku kept this power advantage all the way through the Majin Buu arc. Vegeta briefly surpassed Goku at super saiyan 3, only for Goku to become a super saiyan god. Vegeta surpassed Goku again by training with Whis, but when Goku trained with Whis too, he managed to catch up. Super saiyan blue kaioken gave Goku an edge, and while Vegeta has super saiyan blue evolution to counter that, Goku also had ultra instinct omen and mastered ultra instinct. With ultra ego, Vegeta can still compete with Goku. For the most part, I think Goku and Vegeta are roughly equal. Their latest fight in dragonball super superhero had Vegeta win against Goku when they are both in base, but it remains to be seen who's stronger when both are going all out. They might be equal.

[PhamNguyenZ]

If i recall correctly... Vegeta himself actually says he supposedly obtains a more advanced UE form prior to the fight with Granolah... but tapping into this form would mean he will "lose" himself in the process (similar to Goku losing his emotion)... so Vegeta purposely did not transform further

[Hip-Gnosis]

We gotta get this man to 1 million by the end of this year, he’s been killing it 💪

[link]

The Susano Goku uses is a callback to the Yardrat training vegeta does. When one of them increases in size using gigantification, and the next line is that they are able to do these things by strengthening the spirit. This is in chapter 52. So the reason that his is... hollow? Is that his spirit's strength hasn't reached that level yet. When TotallyNotMark was reviewing the moro arc he called that out. Pretty cool imo.

[polymerizedrecords]

This rivalry might have something else to factor in: Goku is his strongest self when he has someone or something to protect or in line. Vegeta is at his strongest when he's fighting Goku. I think Vegeta knows this, so he understands how much more there would be to Goku's power if the threat was real, and that's why he acknowledges Goku as being the strongest of the two.

[marshal]

I think that the Susanoo is meant to be an upgrade to Instinct, in that it forms an area of perception that is beyond the user's body, meaning he can counter and react to enemies that haven't even been registered instinctually by the user's body. Basically an amped Instinct field.