What a real chief engineer thinks happened to to Dali and why it hit the bridge

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Sal recommended you, and you've been great. No regrets following you.

dongiovanni
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I was Assistant Engineer on a destroyer in Vietnam. It was not diesel powered, but we did have many electric pumps and backups; nonetheless, you hit the nail on the head. No electricity, no power You have to wonder when the lights went out, what caused it. Possibly dirty fuel; possibly a dead short somewhere. None of this can be fixed or worked around in a very short time. It all takes time to line up and start and they didn't have any time. Thanks for your information. Please keep the video's coming. I am always fascinated by ships and the engineering it takes to make them run.

jimbos
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In the early 70's as a newly trained in-port diesel watch on an old sub tender, I was night-ordered to shift clean fuel oil tanks on the mid-watch. Quickly discovered that another watch had transferred to the tank without the center cone in purifier, and the tank had a lot of water. The online generator shut down. Luckily, the tank that I switched from had plenty fuel in it for me to switch back, and an experienced engineman helped me purge the fuel on another generator and get it on line while I properly assembled the purifier and lined it up the transfer from another tank. Tied up in port on shore power, it caused no real emergency for us. Taught me to check my turn-overs carefully - I should have seen the center cone on the work bench and investigated more.

pidjones
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Licensed engineer turned port state control here. I do appreciate you making it abundantly clear that without power, you are without propulsion. Those electronically timed engines sometimes use a fuel rail, meaning there may be a quantity of fuel ready to go if engine autmoation is battery powered and able to open the solenoids. But the point about blowers is extremely valid. Plus the prop may still be windmilling with that much speed, making it more difficult to start in astern direction. I would not be surprised if the smoke we are seeing is just partially burnt fuel getting shot out the stack by the turbos as the engine spools down. This is absolute speculation and I agree there may be other causes for the smoke.

I am also glad to see your commentary on the exhaust smoke. I was getting raked over the coals on reddit for a bit for saying that this exhaust was NOT just the engine going astern. At first I thought it was an exhaust fire or something, because it should not be that thick and black for that duration of time. After watching it a few more times and seeing the smoke come to a sudden stop it is clearly not a fire, but it was that abnormal to me and something I am glad to see now getting attention.

I hesitate to say that they were doing any fuel changeover or tank swapping while leaving port. I do think a more innocent explanation is at hand somewhere. I was on one ship departing Hawaii big island, the generator overspeed sensor had a spring just suddenly shear, all the load went to the other generator and caused it to trip, and we browned out. That first generator would not come online again because even though it was stopped, automation thought it was overspeeding. Crazy stuff happens. The more surprising part to me is that the EDG on the Dali did not seem to at any point ever take the load. That is something ships are required to test regularly, and should happen within a max of 45 seconds. If it is 46 seconds, flag and class should be issuing deficiencies to get this rectified. If it takes a minute then the ship should be no-sailed. There are clearly multiple issues at play here. Whatever tripped the main gens, and whatever stopped the EDG from taking the load (EDGs notably have a separate fuel tank from the main gens so bad fuel or inappropriate fuel swapping can't explain everything).

phantomsplit
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You can almost always tell who the smartest person in the room is by them telling you they don't know because they don't have all the facts available to them... TY

JaimeWulf
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fantastic.. "without data, we start making up stories".. love the logical approach.. sorely missed in a media driven world...

mxya
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“I got my license in 2001 so that’s coming up to 23 years” .. my brain freaked out at that 😂 I’ll always feel like it JUST turned 2000!

stephanieparker
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I thank Sal for sending me your and Makoi way... The voices of reason in a mixed up world! Safe waves, Good Sir and I look forward to your next post :-)

paulevans
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Thank you, truly appreciate some real insight without the BS. Buying you a beer sir.🍺

flatsubie
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Thanks, Chief! I have seen local Baltimore news reports that Dali was having electrical problems while docked in Baltimore. A local dock worker was interviewed and claimed that they were having to supply shore power (I think that's what she said) because Dali was not able to supply power to the refrigerator containers on board without blowing on-board circuit breakers. If accurate, that suggests a problem, or problems, with the on-board generators that may not have been completely corrected prior to departure. Your explanation that this type of large diesel engine will not function without electrical power for various pumps now makes this part of the story make some sense. Question: Do the same generators (or should we say "same switchboard"?) that power the lube and fuel pumps for the main engine ALSO power the on-board refrigerator units, or is there a separate system for the containers? Thanks again for sharing your expert knowledge!

JonPMeyer
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I like the M.E.B.A. tee shirt. Was a member for my working life. The appeal at the end to disregard nonsense on social media will fall on a lot of deaf ears. We're currently hoping that the ship of state doesn't hit a preverbal bridge of disaster because a significant percentage of the electorate doesn't understand and worse, will gravitate toward dangerous nonsense because they just don't understand how complicated that system is and how it works. My two cents is on bad fuel, but like you say, lets wait for the accident report to learn the actual cause.

musoangelo
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Aloha Chief!
I can tell you are a very Trained
C/E! SUNY & MEBA Trained, American owned & Flagged Jones Act vessels!
I am Retired Navy man, first ship was the USS Ranger (CV-61) 8-1200 # boilers, 4 engine rooms, and 4 shafts, pushing about 300, 000 HP. 20 years with SIU. So, I have been sailing for a few days...Lol.
I Loved when you called out the Sabbatoge/hackers, that was good!
I wish they would build new Steamers, They could make more efficient ones IF they wanted to! They were very low maintenance, compared to the big diesels....Never had to pull a piston on a Steamer! Lol...

smytb
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Accuracy and attention to detail much appreciated.
I will believe what I believe when the Full facts are presented. We have enough Chaos in this country thanks to MSM and Social Media Journalism.
Happy Sailing!

crxess
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I just started watching your videos the other night and feel like I don't have to worry about verifying your resume as from the first video, I knew you had some good knowledge to back you with your breakdown of different shipboard systems. When I had sticking points, I had different avenues opened based upon certain references you made. You are doing way better than most all I am seeing out there so please keep it up.

rickhanson
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Sal recommended both you and Chief Makoi and you have both been great. I have subscribed to you both and rung the Bell. please keep up the great work.

thatsme
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Sal recommended you. I very much appreciate you sticking to the known facts. In the late 70s and early 80s I was on active duty in the Coast Guard at MSO Paducah. I was the investigating officer. I do not have even 1/100 of your experience. It will be interesting to see what started the chain of events that (proximate cause) that lead to the root cause. The engineering spaces aboard ships like the Dali are so complex. Filling the facts between the main engine shutting down and what caused it is going to involve a lot of analysis of the interrelated systems. Finding which cause effect events that are in the proximate cause chain to the root cause and those that are not will drive the investigators crazy.

joecarlson
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Spot on once again....we won't know for sure until the report comes out. It would be great to hear from the Chief Engineer too. Maybe one day.???

johnland
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Thanks. The same type of thing happened to the Mark W Barker off Detroit last summer. She lost power and went aground off Belle Isle. I don’t follow oceans shipping, but I do follow the lakers. I like right on the St Clair River and a lot of my family used to sail. Mishaps happen all the time. Groundings, fires, striking docks, it’s not a conspiracy.

larry
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I sure appreciate your professional perspective on this!

BobDelp-cgcg
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Yes sir. In the end, the best instruction/learning comes through experience. Thanks.

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