Jordan Peterson - The Difference Between Art & Propaganda

Why the Disney movie 'Frozen' is propaganda.

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[Laurensvm]

Just so you know: he never took a sip from the can

[horsewings]

"The artist doesn't know what their doing the propagandists does...." this is so reassuring for me as an artist.

[lilconfused]

"Just because you're a failure does not mean you're an artist"
ha! xD

[Zybqheqer]

Art is never finished, only abandoned - Leonardo Da Vinci

[vattentaelt]

"What do you think an artist is? An imbecile who has only eyes if he’s a painter, or ears if he’s a musician, or a lyre at every level of his heart if he’s a poet, or even, if he’s a boxer, just his muscles? On the contrary, he’s at the same time a political being, constantly alive to heartrending, fiery, or happy events, to which he responds in every way[. . . .] No, painting is not done to decorate apartments. It is an instrument of war for attack and defense against the enemy." – Pablo Picasso, 1945
"Someone who's a true artist doesn't have a political message." – Jordan

[nickbloom]

Hey there fellow lobsters, our nightly meeting for The Order Of The Bucko's will be continued tommorow. We apologize for the inconvenience and will resume our lesson on postmodern sunshine.

[robgoren]

George Lucas Star Wars = Art.
Disney Star Wars = Propaganda.

[toddboothbee]

He's given one of the best definitions and explanations of art I've ever come across--and I'm in the world of the arts every day.

[kokomanation]

Art can be used for propaganda .Even Beethoven dedicated initially his 3rd Symphony to Napoleon.It is a powerful emotional tool that can be used for any reason possible

[reniaesaddler]

Seems like art reflects the human experience while propaganda suggests it.

[ScientiaFilms]

He looks like he's in front of a greenscreen

[kianoosh.]

Finally, someone agreed that frozen is terrible !!

[Fullyautomagic]

You can definitely use art to tell a story or make a point that you already have in your head though.

[spikeleroy]

May i ask you sir, can you elaborate on your conceptual MEANING of success, and what is your conceptual MEANING of failure?

[Raven]

The people who created it had the idea about what it should be before they made it, so it’s propaganda.” J Peterson

[zuutlmna]

So it's possible to have art, without it conveying or possessing any aspect or function of propaganda?

[BackwardsHat]

Dr. Peterson's logic doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me here. He's basically saying that if you delve into creating some sort of art with a certain intention or meaning in mind, then it is propaganda? That's a pretty harsh definition. If that's the case, almost everything we utter from our mouths if some sort of propaganda. Has there ever actually been any art that was designed with zero intention in mind?

[teenanguyen]

I have a problem wrapping my head around the idea how some art is propaganda and some is not. Because clearly, all art is thought up and idealised before the final product, so the artist has already imprinted their vision. I feel as though Jordan defends the Lion King and Pinnochio because they depict left leaning ideology, while Frozen depicts right leaning ideology. But in essense they are both stories relevant to their particular markets. From a completely neutral point of view, they are both ideological propaganda, how can he say one is not and the other is?

[monkeygraborange]

In what universe is "Frozen" considered art?

[HobokenSquatCobbler]

Art and propaganda are not mutually exclusive.