How Does Israel ‘Fill Up Their Sins’? 1 Thessalonians 2:13–16, Part 9

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Teacher: John Piper

[IsaiahEli]

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[TheCreepypro]

thank you Lord for not just saving us from ourselves but from a law that we could never hope to keep no matter how much we like to justify ourselves

[saintsrefuge]

I've been backsliding, please pray for me. struggling a lot

[jesusistheanswer]

Makes me wonder if it's the same as the mystery of iniquity, and if The Greatest sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit then maby it's refusing the holy spirit in full knowledge of doing so. Not sure, haven't really searched the scriptures related though.
God bless you brothers and sisters, may your day be blessed with God's true purposes working strong in our day.
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[MrPatdeeee]

"How Does Israel ‘Fill Up Their Sins’? 1 Thessalonians 2:13–16, Part 9"

Kind Sir...the phrase "Fill Up Their Sins" caused me to think, "Something is not right here"! So...

... I looked into 4 of my "revision ed" bibles; in the time they were published, except for the "Original" bible, 1611 AD KJV (80 books)! Because it's just too difficult; to understand in today's English language. So I went to the revised, "Authorized" bible (1885 AD KJV 66 Books) which is what MOST use today. IE...

1 Thessalonians 2:

(KJV 1885 AD) 16. Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway*: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

(NASB 1971 AD)16. hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always reach the limit of their sins. But wrath has come upon them fully. (The most "accurately" translated bible into English, in History! Using "Word for Word".)

(NIV 1973 AD)16. in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last. (Using "Phrase for Phrase".)

(NKJV 1982 AD) 16. in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last. (Over one million words were replaced NEEDLY; with their true words.)

And now...I understand that verse totally; because the new "revisions"; kicked out the "errors" and replaced it with the truths. Please Brethren understand this. For it can help you galore, to understand more; all over your bible. Oh yes! Praise Jesus' Holy Name...

...In any case kind Sir, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!

* The word "alway" (KJV in verse 16) is a typical "error"; by "translators" in the English bible's translation (1885 AD ); derived from Hebrew to Greek, to "Manuscript" into English. Thus, spelling and grammatical errors; are all over it, from Gen to Rev. That sadly, CAN cause one to misinterpret the bibles' real meaning. Sad, but true. May Jesus have mercy.

And that is why the modern English Translators: revised it into the "NKJV", in 1982 AD! Praise Jesus Holy Name. Which is a thousand times more accurate; than the "Authorized KJV" was. Sad but true!

[Shihigh]

What bible software are you using that you are able to draw on it.

[briannatilden]

Well wasn’t 1 Thess written before 70AD? Couldn’t that have been the judgement coming for Israel? John Piper, you made it sound like it’s referring to a future (for us still) judgment. If this is what you mean can you explain why 70AD wasn’t in mind here?

[edgarmorales]

It must be understood that down the centuries - people perceived that facets of human behavior were detrimental to the welfare of others. They witnessed killing - stealing another's wife and possessions - causing much pain and grief in the community - making life difficult and at times - intolerable. It was reasoned that surely this behavior must be contrary to the will of "God." They gave this behavior the name of "sin" and termed it "evil." Eventually - the Prophets reasoned that such aberrant behavior must emanate from an "evil" force opposed to "God" and they called it "Satan."

The Prophets threatened and punished each other in the belief that "sins" were evil and that "God" would punish men for their wrongdoing against each other. This behavior is practiced to this day in the churches. Ministers try to control people by fear.

THE CONCEPT OF "SIN" against God - the Eternal and infinitely Mighty Creator - was a clever and powerful method of controlling other people!

Church beliefs are a tragic travesty of all that Jesus tried to teach.

Moses first enshrined the belief in "sin" and "punishment" in the form of the Ten Commandments.

Moses said that they were given to him by "God" and that if the Israelites broke them - they would have to suffer the penalty - in some cases - this meant death by stoning. They were taught that by breaking the Laws - the Israelites would be sinning against "God."

The exact truth is - Moses went to the mountain to pray for a means by which to control the unruly Israelites. In answer to this prayer - the Ten Commandments were inspirationally given to him to help him in his task of bringing the Israelites safely through their desert sojourn with the least degree of trouble-making.

Christians are happy to accept and wholeheartedly believe that "God" reputedly instructed Moses to engage in aggressive procedures and massacres when conquering the "promised land." A beautiful and productive land was callously grabbed from hard working people who were slain in their thousands. This was regarded as the right thing to do since "God" had promised them a beautiful land in which to settle. To this day - Christians believe that since "God" spoke to Moses - it must be "God" who decreed the ensuing bloodshed. There are many similar horrific descriptions of war and bloodshed in the Bible considered permissible - just and right - because it was believed that "God" had instructed them to go to war - against Gentiles.

Can you not see in the history of the Jews - the rampant EGO-DRIVE in which even "God" is "used" to exempt them from blame? In the moment of self-aggrandizement - it became permissible and equitable to ignore the Ten Commandments and indulge in wholesale massacre.

They believed no sin was involved because the killing had been ordained by "God." What a "God!"

Can you not also perceive why it was necessary for Jesus to be born to live among the Jews in an effort to help them see that their traditional beliefs and practices were all contrary to the very Nature of GOD who had truly given them being?

Since then - down the centuries - men have battled with the concept of "sin" and many sincere people have grieved concerning the way they offend "God" and they beg for forgiveness. Long ago - they sacrificed animals beyond number in the Temple in Jerusalem - to appease "God" and to hopefully escape the effects of their sins. Since that time - innumerable books have been written on the subject - expressing grief and horror at the condition of men's souls - seeking ways to change their behavior - beating themselves with whips to torture the flesh and make it pay for its wrongdoing in thought - words and deed - and many of these books have been applauded by "Christians" and housed within the archives of religious institutions.

They bind people to Jesus' age-old persona - preaching the "salvation of man from punishment for his sins" by Jesus' death on the cross. These beliefs are physically impossible and contrary to the facts of creation. No payment is extracted for "sin" by any superior "Deity." This is a human concept entirely - and pagan. All blood-letting of any description for the purpose of religious rites is paganism. Christian churches have presented its followers with nothing less than a "glorified" version of paganism.

When people make other people unhappy in any way - they are creating their own future "comeback." Not as retribution - but as a "consciousness activity of creation."

Therefore - it is a matter of urgency that these beliefs in "sin" and "salvation by Jesus' death on the cross" should be strongly combated - and replaced - by UNCONDITIONAL LOVE and the TRUTH of EXISTENCE.

[BloodCovenant]

05:11 I also see this as a horrifying warning for America. When America has reached the point of having filled up its sins, it will be the terror of the Lord unleashed on her.

[cassandralangenecker]

Verse 15 is translated heretically on your slide.

[SaanichtonMinistries]

Perhaps it is onto something that we believe. A Christian can lose his salvation by practicing sin. If you continue in, or “practice” sin which entangles a man. You will be encumbered by the “full” weight of sin’s fruition which is wrath and destruction. The context for Christians is that “IF” (lots of “ifs” concerning salvation in the Bible) we continue to practice sin (ie divorce and remarriage adultery and ascribe to other false teachings) our fruit of sin can be filled too, and we end up in hell. That is what I see her brother John.

[TheCannonofMohammed]

The chaos, the unprecedented chaos that has descended on this country since you penned your letter of Oct 22, 2020 cannot be overstated. Why won’t you apologize? I can’t figure you out. Only someone who is full of a damnable pride could see what is happening to this country and not admit his culpability. Do you live in a bubble? Do you so surround yourself with sycophants you don’t see your sin?