FRANK TUREK'S EPIC ANSWER - DOES THE BIBLE CONDONE SLAVERY?

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[renocicchi]

First of all, the OT had rules for how to treat your fellow neighbors (Israelites) and different rules for heathen slaves of the surrounding nations.

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

Entire cities were destroyed by the Israelites with the exception of virgin girls to keep as plunder. They were not a threat to the Israelites, rather the Israelites just wanted glory, gold, and sex slaves.

They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men ... Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded ... Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

Second of all, slavery is not punished in the OT. Exodus 21: 16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, (A) whether the victim has been sold(B) or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

Notice it does not say slave anywhere In it. The passage is saying you cannot steal someone else’s slaves or kidnap free people. This was also law in chattel slavery in the United States.

4 passages later it states: 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

1 Timothy 1:10 is a general statement which either contradicts the specific statements of the other dozens of examples of allowed slavery, or fits in with the specifics. It is clear it fits in because the Bible states don’t enslave fellow Israelites, but to purchase slaves from surrounding nations as demonstrated by the first quote I gave. Do not murder is a general statement, but god plenty of times commands murder, because specific rules override general rules.

You cannot sell the Israelites, but you can buy them through indentured servitude, which is also morally bankrupt and just another form of slavery, which is why it is illegal along with slavery pretty much everywhere.

Thirdly, The Bible does not have all people as equals under god. That quote does not state otherwise, it just says all people are under god.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1 Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."

Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

The Hebrews were the chosen people

The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession” (Deuteronomy 7:6)

Slaves do not get eye for an eye, rather if their eye is destroyed, the masters eye is preserved but the slave goes free with only one eye

Exodus 21:26 An owner who hits a male or female slave in the eye and destroys it must let the slave go free to compensate for the eye.

Male Hebrew slaves were to be released after the 6th year, while female Hebrew slaves were slaves for life. That is not for debt. You can also trick your male Hebrew slaves to being permanent slaves by giving him a wife. But once the man goes free, the wife and children remain permanent property of the master. The only way the man can be with the family is to become a permanent slave

2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, (D) he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, (E) without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free, ’(F) 6 then his master must take him before the judges.[a](G) He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce(H) his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.(I)

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.

Fourthly, that quote does not mention slaves, it talked about Christian prisoners. Plus that wouldn’t even attack the institution of slavery as The Bible clearly already states Gods chosen people and heathens don’t get equal freedom under gods law.

Lk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is on me, (A)
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news(B) to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,

Fifth, yes it does care about social reform, as it commands that you can not eat shellfish, wear mixed linens, murder, steal, and a plethora of other commandments. Yet why does the Bible not outright say “don’t own people as property”, but rather say the exact opposite? The New Testament states:

Ephesians 6:5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

Colossians 3:22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything you do. Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. Serve them sincerely because of your reverent fear of the Lord.

1 Peter 2:18 You who are slaves must submit to your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you—not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel.

[markwoods]

What a way the cherry pick the Bible there Frank. By condemning the Old Testament that contains the Ten Commandments the first part of Genesis and so on.

[agnosticdystheist]

Voluntary?

Slaves were beaten with a rod in Exodus 21:20-21, was that voluntary?

Female slaves had to sexually please their master in Exodus 21:7-8, was that voluntary?

Foreign slaves were made property for life and were made inheritance to children in Leviticus 25:44-46, was that voluntary?

A wife given to the slave by the master is to be kept by the master instead of leaving with her husband on the seventh year in Exodus 21:4, was that voluntary?

[ndytrout]

Is Frank trying to say that owning people to prevent them from rebelling is not slavery? He brings up these things to differentiate what was done in the bible from slavery and his second example is literally just slavery. And the morons in the audience cheer as if he didn't just describe slavery and imply that it was ok. The effect that religion has on people's minds is so sad.

[truthgiver]

Frank Turek showing the world he is incapable of telling the truth sad little man.

[KD-hihh]

lol, I dare Frank to debate Matt Dillihunty on Slavery....

[youtubespag]

Its literally a lie. Show me where in leviticus 25 44-46 it specifies they volunteered. I can wait.

[Rabi-rt]

The Holiness code of Leviticus explicitly allows participation in the slave trade, with non-Israelite residents who had been sold into slavery being regarded as a type of property that could be inherited.
However, you may purchase male and female slaves from among the nations around you. You may also purchase the children of temporary residents who live among you, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat them as slaves, but you must never treat your fellow Israelites this way.

[freethinker]

It’s not a gotcha from Frank. Frank is just presenting a blatant untruth. Leviticus 25:44-46 clearly does prescribe involuntary forced servitude of foreigners for Hebrews and it is in fact race based. This passage does not describe servitude for working off a debt or even servitude for war captives. It’s clearly describing chattel slavery for children bought from strangers living in the land and sold from surrounding nations.