William G. Johnsson (Adventist) vs. Walter Martin (Christian) | Is Adventism a Cult? | DEBATE

It's been decades since Dr. Walter Martin—author of the famed Kingdom of the Cults—initially gave Seventh-Day Adventism a pass and listed them as heterodox, and not cultic, in his book. But did the story end there? He appeared on the John Ankerberg Show in 1985 not too long after the release of his book to discuss with the then editor of the Adventist Review, Mr. William G. Johnsson, where he demonstrates a change of heart—mostly tied to the SDA Church's views on Ellen G. White.

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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Introduction to Walter Martin & SDA
0:37 - Walter Martin's First SDA Conference Visit
6:15 - Walter Martin's Second SDA Conference Visit
10:00 - SDA Disfellowshipping & Ellen White Disagreement
14:30 - Des Ford's Sanctuary Doctrine Critique
16:40 - Questioning Ellen White's Infallibility
25:25 - Ellen White's Authoritative Writings
28:40 - Consequences of Disagreeing with Ellen White
31:05 - Walter Martin's Doctoral Dissertation
43:13 - Des Ford's Outcome in SDA Church
48:59 - Current Trends in SDA Church
54:31 - SDA Church Bible Study Practices
1:01:28 - Ellen G. White's "Great Controversy" Impact
1:11:50 - Evaluating a Prophet's Legitimacy
1:19:34 - The Strong Emphasis on Ellen White's Role
1:23:10 - Ellen White's Ongoing Authority
1:26:13 - 1844 Doctrine & Christian Practice
1:35:19 - Preview of Next Week's Topics
1:35:51 - Walter Martin's Stance on Adventism & Cult Status
1:49:50 - SDA Church's Stance on "Questions on Doctrine" (QOD)
1:51:35 - Reassuring the SDA Church Community
1:58:03 - Final Thoughts and Conclusion
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The Gospel of Jesus Christ:
Man is a sinner (Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8) and our sin has separated us from our Maker (Isaiah 59:2). In His grace, God entered into His own creation in the person of Jesus Christ (John 1:1-14; Col. 1:19), born of a virgin (Matt. 1:23), and lived a perfect and sinless life, fulfilling all the Law’s demands (2 Cor. 5:21; Matt. 5:17), on a mission by God the Father to save sinners from condemnation (John 3:16-18, 6:37-40). He paid the penalty for sin which is death (Romans 6:23) and bore the sins of His people in His body on a cross (1 Peter 2:24), making propitiation by His blood (Romans 3:25). He died, was buried, and resurrected in the same body He died in on the third day for our justification (1 Cor. 15, Romans 4:25; Luke 24:39). By a living faith (James 2:18) in the Person and Work of Jesus (Romans 10:9-10), God graciously declares a person righteous (Romans 4:5), they are reconciled to their Creator (Romans 5:10-11), given Christ’s righteousness in full (Phil. 3:8-9), sealed with the Holy Spirit (Eph. 1:13), and have peace with God (Romans 5:1). They are born again of the Spirit (1 John 5:1, Titus 3:5), adopted into His family(Eph. 4:5–7), and are granted eternal resurrection life in Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11), set free to do good works that please Him (Eph. 2:10; 1 John 2:3-4). Jesus will physically return one day to judge the living and the dead (1 Peter 4:5; Acts 24:15; John 5:24-5), throwing the wicked out of His Kingdom (Matt. 13:41-3), but His people will be spared from the wrath to come (1 Thess. 1:10) to dwell in union with God forever (Rev. 21:3).

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[ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD]

"Scripture dictates to me, Mrs. White dictates to you... that's the problem." -Walter Martin

[ureasmith]

It's easy to see who's being straightforward, sincere and honest and who's squirming under the heat of scripture.

[jamaicahampton]

Let’s keep it simple why do we need any other book besides the Bible? Do we not have the God to ask for help to understand? Does not the Holy Spirit give us understanding? We need to be patient in waiting for God to answer us. Not jumping the gun and relying on someone else’s book or interpretation on the word.

[rafaeltorres]

The dance which Johnson puts on is the same dance the church dances today....one can never get a straight answer from SDA leadership.

[benjaminparadise]

The adventist leaders did not tell Walter Martin the truth about Ellen White. First, they wouldn't answer his question if she is the infallible interpreter of scripture, then Johnson said she is not. But the truth is, you need to accept Ellen White at baptism. The spirit of prophecy (referring to Ellen White) is one of the baptismal vows. Literally a vow to Ellen White at baptism. As it's been said was ever asked if they will add Isaiah or Elijah or John the baptist as a vow to their baptism. -Ephesians 4:5 there is one Lord, one faith, one baptism. They really affected Walter Martin's research by not answering his question on Ellen White.

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SHOULD I BELIVE E.G. WHITE OR THE BIBLE?

1. Was the plan of salvation made before or after the fall?
E.G. White says AFTER the fall (Great Controversy, p.347)
The Bible says BEFORE (Ephesians 1:4:; 1 peter 1:18)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?

2. Was Adam deceived by Satan?
E.G. White says YES (Evangelism, p. 589)
The Bible says NOPE (1 Timothy 2:14)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?

3. Did pre-flood human beings mate with animals to produce amalgamated created creatures?
E.G. White says YES (Spiritual Gifts Vol. 3, p 64 )
The Bible says NOPE (Genesis 1:24-25- Nowhere in the Bible is it indicated there was amalgamation of human beings and animals before the flood)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?

4. Was the tower of Babel built before or after the flood?
E.G. White says BEFORE (Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 119)
The Bible says AFTER (Genesis 11:4)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?

5. Who bears human's sins?
E.G. White says SATAN (The Great Controversy, p. 422, 485-486)
The Bible says JESUS (1 Peter 2:24)
Should I believe EGW or the Bible?

I have read so much of what EGW wrote and what others in the church and outside have written about her writings. She calls her writings "little light" that lead people to "greater light", the Bible. The truth is her writings are leading me away from the Bible. Should I believe the Bible or clear heresies of E.G. White?

[karen]

Great presentation- Adventists cannot let go of EGW because they believe her to be the ‘Spirit of prophecy’ which they believe identifies them as the remnant 🤷🏼‍♀️

[ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD]

Did Jesus require anyone to agree... with 27-28 statements?

[Mister-Wabbit]

The guy said we find a “wide spectrum of belief” that sounds like the LGBTQ MOVEMENT

[ureasmith]

I love Walter Martin but he was too soft on EGW considering her a Christian woman that just fibbed here and there.

[ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD]

"Ah, then you are admitting... Mrs. White is a test of faith." -Walter Martin

[CritRacing]

Cognitive dissonance was on full display. Thanks for sharing this.

[heresdamian]

Too bad we will never see classy God focused talk shows like this again.

[williamspurka]

It sounds like SDA church has more faith in EGW than the Ultimate teacher, the Holy Spirit.😊

[stevenchacala]

I took "Life and Teachings of JC" with Des Ford at PUC. It was the first time in a lifetime of SDA education, that I was exposed to biblical hermeneutics, in contrast to the "proof text" method of Bible study.

[ADVENTFRAUDSQUAD]

"She (Ellen White) made false statements." -Walter Martin

[GONAVYDAS]

This may be my very favorite Ankerberg program. Outstanding! Thank you.

[sebastianmutua]

The most satisfying exposure of the sda cult so far have ever watched I repeat again it's hard to defend a lie

[williamkuegler]

Borrowed???Burrowed???

More like STOLE!!!!

[rosemarykeddie]

Borrow is mean loan. She was a thief .. she stole from other writers. Then claimed that they were from the throne of God. Then promptly put a copy right on it and flog it off When the Word says clear don't peddle the Gospel.