Moore’s Law is Irrelevant

Moore’s law may be over – but how much does that matter?


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[Jet-ijzc]

Quiet quitting and lying flat are two different thing.

Quiet quitting is doing exactly what your job description is, nothing more, nothing less.

Lying flat is giving up on finding work.

[IImperviious]

The “procedural generation” for games talk was exciting, until I realized they will absolutely use it for cosmetic shops and will pump out endless heartless cosmetics for loads of money

[HiImKyle]

New job title for people will be "AI Wrangler" to fix and adjust things the AI comes up with.

[frankcooke]

"Moore's Law" should be one of those phrases that trips up a Canadian, but a Bostonian totally nails.

[ItsCheetahTV]

Honestly where we are now, if games could just be optimized on slightly older engines with devs that actually cared we wouldn’t have to move forward so fast

[ovalsquare]

Need to focus more on software optimization before worrying about this lol

[jordanstogner]

“People get bored” bro is extremely out of touch. People don’t work 2 jobs because they are bored (1% might). The rest of society is struggling

[anthonymorris]

I think that the focus will be on making drivers and software work more efficiently to improve performance. I've always seen adding transistors as a brute force tactic. Now that doing that is seemingly not viable, efficiency seems like the logical path to me.

[SMthegamer]

I remember reading that chips couldn't get any smaller because it was at the point where electrons were hopping between buses, then a few months later they shrunk by a few more nm.

The people working on this stuff are ridiculously smart, they hit hurdles constantly but so far they haven't stopped running.

[CompressionPolice]

It would be awesome for hardware manufacturers to run into a limit and then have the software developers to be held responsible for making their code more efficient. It's a mess right now.

[andrewroes]

I gotta disagree here. It's good for us to acknowledge that we can't just keep adding raw power infinitely and we need other ways to find improvement, but I think too many people are looking at AI as just an easy catch all solution to keep that idea of infinitely improving to avoid the potential outcome that processing advancement could slow down significantly. I don't know when things slow down, and computers as well as society as a whole could change a little or a lot depending on where it does, nobody can say, but this isn't to say don't dream of things or theorycraft ideas for what could be, it's just to say don't present it as an inevitability.

[semi.]

I have heard people try to accuse teachers of "quiet quitting" if they just follow their union contract and don't work outside contract hours. Their explanation is usually something like "But you can never get your job done within contract hours" which I think is just stupid. How is it ever your problem that your employer expects you to get so much work done that you have to take it home during unpaid/off-contract hours? If teachers must work that much more off-contract to get their jobs done then their employer needs to negotiate a different contract and workers can in turn demand better compensation for the expansion of working hours.

However if you are on a union contract and you work outside that contract, while it might help get stuff done, it is devaluing your work by giving it for free.

[Junebug]

"It has shifted from an employees market to an employers market"

Boy, that sure didn't last long. Almost as if giant corporations central banks all over the world were immediately cracking down on labour at the slightest hint of people being able to have some control over their lives.

[ymi_yugy]

I'm a lot more pessimistic. All the stacking, chiplets and what not aren't really getting us around the fact, that transistors aren't really getting cheaper anymore. The approach also doesn't seem to scale down to lower power devices like phones.
I think the RTX 4060 ti indicates how things will be. Every couple of years we will se a smaller and smaller performance uplift, coupled with some new feature.
I'm also quite a bit less optimistic on generative AI. It will absolutely play a huge role in game development, but I don't think it will be as high level as generating levels from a single text prompt. People will of course do it, however I can't imagine the results being any good for a long time.

[Michael_Brock]

The video of that Thomas mod for Skyrim is hilarious 😂. Thank you ten years late for that meme.

[Xankillr]

Let's be very honest - the way AI is going it will *ONLY* be used for content mills. And that includes live service and/or heavily monetized games.
We've also had a lot of work done on procedural generation in the past and it's almost always the case that as soon as you want a game that provides anything like a consistent play experience you *have* to tweak things by hand - either by tweaking the inputs to the procedural system (like the set of "rooms" it can use to generate a level) or by tweaking the procedural algorithm itself.

I for one am not looking forward to what billion-trillion dollar corporations have planned for us in the future in terms of AI. Plus let's not forget - they'll only be able to achieve any of this by literally stealing from actual artists, writers, programmers, etc.

[SurgStriker]

odds are even if technology reaches the point where equipment can do those things, some of the fastest advances will be in DRM to prevent consumers from doing much.. Nintendo will probably be at the forefront, developing consoles that are more and more secure (not from outside attacks, but from any sort of modding that would allow consumers to get more value out of their devices). Games even on PC will start seeing the more capable AI being used to prevent cheating or altering code in ways that hurts the devs ability to keep selling stuff. As long as money is still the basis of this world, innovation and development will be stifled by a limited thinking focused on how to ensure any new tech doesn't hinder profitability.

[ugrasergun]

I've been hearing that transistors can't shrink anymore because we're close to physical limit since high school (late 1990's) and it shrinks more and more.

[jackdiamond]

10 years from now people will still be gaming at 1080P 60Hz.

[livipup]

Super Mario World already has a feature where all the Koopas become faces with moustaches