Divinely Inspired Writings?

Clip from "Is Seventh Day Adventism a Cult?"

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#seventhdayadventism #theology #religion

[melchisedec.]

“Divinely Inspired Writings” simply means God spoke a Message through someone.

[zimladyj]

This is PR for SDAs someone is going to look into it and be converted.

[weimarscr]

sound's like misinformation and clickbait

[jwesKeys]

Are there not wrong interpretations of scripture in churches today? Sure they currently disagree with the SDA church but are all other Christian churches aligned on scripture? Clearly not so someone has to be wrong.

Commentaries are written with the authors interpretation and study on scripture all the time but if the SDA church says that there are wrong interpretations that need to be corrected then we are a cult?

Notice that Elce did not share quotes from Ellen White where she states that her writings aren't even needed or that the Bible is the only source of truth to judge things by and not her writings.

[elijahrodgers]

From Ellen White herself:
The Spirit was not given—nor can it ever be bestowed—to supersede the Bible; for the Scriptures explicitly state that the word of God is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Says the apostle John, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” 1 John 4:1. And Isaiah declares, “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” Isaiah 8:20.

Our faith, and our position in the world as commandment keepers is based on the Bible. Never should the Testimonies be brought in to take a high place than the Bible.

The more we look at the promises of the Word of God, the brighter they grow. The more we practice them, the deeper will be our understanding of them. Our position and faith is in the Bible. And never do we want any soul to bring in the Testimonies ahead of the Bible.

[allthingsandee]

"Testimonies for the Church, " Volume 5: "I am instructed to say that the Word of God is the only rule of faith and practice. Let every soul that claims to be a follower of Christ test the doctrine and the teachings of the Bible by this rule."

[Proverbs-vwsc]

You guys are just as bad a Hardly Initiated. Anything to get a view. Unsubscribed!!!

[rosehydrangea]

Perrys have you considered what if the Seventh day Adventist doctrines are Biblical and Truth? Have you studied for yourself what is the doctrine? Have you considered what if Thunder and Mason are bearing false witness against the truth? The attacks against Christ and the early believers came from leaders in the church and from false witnesses. Saul why persecutest thou me?

[PatmosPanthers]

As someone who values fair and respectful dialogue, I urge all Seventh-Day Adventists who support the WiththePerrys ministry to consider discontinuing their support for this channel. Please keep them in your prayers. It is evident that they are not committed to a balanced discussion, as they have not invited active, recognized, and respected SDA pastors to participate in the conversation. (I will stand corrected when the Perrys publicly correct this with the name(s) & date(s) of near future planned conversations.) Instead, they continue to produce content that damages and slanders the Seventh-Day Adventist Church by labeling it a cult. This is disappointing and contrasts sharply with their treatment of other faiths on the channel.

Mason's repeated use of outdated rhetoric and false claims, which the SDA Church has addressed with reasonable biblical apologetics over the years, is particularly concerning. This behavior appears to be a strategy to increase social media views and revenue rather than fostering genuine understanding at this point. Seems to me as if they are just reading from exAdventist sources/books and presenting it as truth to confuse those who do not know what SDA's believe (within and out of the faith). A strategy I see here being employed quite a bit is the use of strawman arguments - misrepresenting or twisting subtly what SDA's believe to then refute it. This is a logical fallacy in argument. If they continue to segment their videos like this one or continue to slander the churches name by calling it a "cult" we will know everything we need to about this ministry and it's agenda.

NOTE: as of 6/24 it seems my comments to @jlewis8145 are being deleted. No surprise there.

[daughterofgod]

I see nothing wrong with that statement.
Aren’t pastor commentaries and preaching of the word supposed to uplift scripture? They are not scripture itself, but uplift the truth that is already written in scripture? One who is fully surrendered to God and not speaking from their flesh, should be led by the spirit and be divinely inspired to uplift the prophecies and doctrines in the Word of God.

And shouldn’t we all “correct” misinterpretations of scripture? How many YouTubers and Christian’s are correcting those who are twisting scripture to justify an unbiblical understanding of marriage to appease culture? How many are correcting unbiblical actions such as praying to Mary, that have been justified because it’s tradition?
Every denomination does it. What’s wrong when she does it? She never called herself a prophet, and she told all to use the Bible as their standard, and you can find that in her writings as well.

[dkas]

Reported this video as misinformation. This is terrible.

[mercychitx]

Dear Jackie and Preston Perry.
I want to first of say thank you for your ministry….Im a seventh day Adventist and I came across your ministry few years ago when I saw Jackie’s testimony and I was touched and encouraged at how you boldly you shared your testimony on how Christ changed your life and how he has been leading you as it is so clear you love God and that is so so encouraging in a word where Christian’s often shy away from truth for men’s applause. I have sometimes watched your podcasts however, I must say on this topic I was really really disappointed by the way you handled this discussion. You didn’t give due diligence in finding a Seventh-Day Adventist to give a balanced view on defend our beliefs and this this was not unfair. You should have found someone to defend our beliefs before continuing with part 2. I do hope you do a part 3 and instead of a ‘debate’ you should simply have a discussion with an adventist on what we believe. If you are genuinely wanting to know the truth then a debate style discussion may lead to arguments and people loosing the message on what Adventists believe and therefore not able to defend the doctrines we uphold.
This discussion should only be entered into by people with an unbiased humble heart and spirit wanting to know the truth from
the word of God. Rather than debating with people that are already set in their views. I know of many seventh day adventists who would be happy to have this discussion like my husband …if you are HUMBLE and GENUINE in your search for truth

[PrayWithPurpose]

Was Nathan the prophet words inspired?

[kylontobias]

It certainly does not feel good to be misrepresented by other people of influence.

What would Jesus do if He was misrepresented?

How do we think the Angel Gabriel felt when from 1844 to 2024 many Millerites have and SDAs continue to misrepresent the angelic interpretation given in Daniel 8:15-27 to explain Daniel 8:9-14?

In 1844 when the churches who rejected the false date setting of the Millerite Movement, those churches were misrepresented by being called Babylon. They were also misrepresented as having no more salvation by a "shut door." Why? Because they believed Jesus' words which said:

“¶But of that DAY and that HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:32, KJV)

And when nothing happened on October 22nd 1844, how did God feel when Ellen White seemed to suggest that God was the Author of Mistakes and Lies?

"I have SEEN that the 1843 chart was DIRECTED BY THE HAND OF THE LORD, and that it should not be altered; that the FIGURES WERE AS HE WANTED THEM; that HIS HAND was over and HID A MISTAKE in some of the figures, so that none could see it, until His hand was removed." {Early Writings, 74.1}

EGW was saying that she saw in vision, that God directed false dates, and hid those false dates with His hand. According to the Bible narrative, was God ever the Author of Lies? Or is He always the Author of truth?

“That by two immutable things, in which it was IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that WITHIN THE VEIL; Whither the forerunner IS FOR US ENTERED, even Jesus, made an HIGH PRIEST for ever after the order of Melchisedec.” (Hebrews 6:18-20, KJV)

If one claims to believe the Bible narrative, then one would definitely have to admit that long before 1844, the Bible writer of Hebrews was teaching that Messiah entered the Most Holy Place "within the veil" before 70AD, which is over 1774 years before 1844 AD.

Which means that God has been misrepresented from 1844 to 2024 by Ellen White in particular. Some repented of the misrepresentations saying:

The person who first wrote out the 1844 Shut Door, Investigative Judgment teaching, ORL Crozier, HUMBLY discarded his old teachings and admitted:

"On account of our ignorance of the scriptures my argument was more fully and more widely accepted than it deserved to be."

The 1844 Investigative Judgment prophetess said:

"William Miller had no sympathy with those influences that led to fanaticism." GC 396.2

What did Miller have to say which showed that he clearly rejected Ellen White and all the so called "light" that they taught?

On August 1st, 1845, Miller confessed:

"We expected the personal coming of Christ at that time; and now to contend that we were not (1)MISTAKEN, is DISHONEST. We should never be ashamed FRANKLY to confess our (1)ERRORS. I have no confidence in any of the new theories that grew out of that movement, namely, that (2)Christ then came as the BRIDEGROOM, (3)that the DOOR OF MERCY WAS CLOSED, (4)that there is NO SALVATION FOR SINNERS, (5)that the seventh trumpet then sounded, or that it was a (6)FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY IN ANY SENSE." WMAD 28-30

"The *CALLING OF ALL CHURCHES*, that do not embrace the doctrine of the advent, *BABYLON, * I before remarked, was the means of our not being listened to with candor; and also, that I regarded it as *A PERVERSION OF SCRIPTURE.* This I think all will see who compare Revelation 14 and 18., and observe the chronology of the fall of Babylon." WMAD 30.2



Fellow Adventists, please do not complain about feeling misrepresented, because as a lifelong SDA, I am saddened by how our SDA ministries often misrepresent Bible writers to teach our own Eisegetical Doctrines. And those very teachings are indeed cultish. Sadly.

[alastairchung-jones]

I dont see my comment. I just commented some actual truth in regard to the Statement of Confidence but I can't find it. Something's fishy...

[sweetrose]

Based upon the name of this clip and what this so called Pastor and ex-SDA are saying, I have a verse from the Word of God for these lies that are being leveled against SDAs, and please pay close attention to the latter part of the phrase.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.... Rev. 21:8

[BelovedofYahua]

Don't fight or get angry over man's words but seek the truth

Romans 8 says:
 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[jenniferoleary]

If we associate more with the identity of “SDA, ” rather than “Christian, ” or one who was redeemed by the blood of Christ, then is it safe to say that there could potentially be some idolatry there?

If we think the Perry’s are misinformed, then instead of persecuting, why not volunteer to shed light and represent your denomination?

Treating them like enemies isn’t what God would want. And I say this out of love—not judgmental rebuke. We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. The goal is to get out the Gospel. And that’s the message that needs to get out. The world looks at us and we quarrel one with another.

If we feel persecuted, God doesn’t call us to persecute in retaliation.

God have mercy on us all.

[JT-ixku]

Rev Elce:Here is the quote from the official SDA website.
SDA: I’ve never heard of that
Me:😏

SDAs see this as an opportunity to learn your denomination’s doctrine. Sorry, your feelings and experience does not define Adventism.

[syrettaajoku]

This is only a minute of the entire episode. Watch the whole thing. Then you’ll see the truth.