Everything I've Ever Wanted to Say on the Problem of Evil/Suffering! | My Rebuttal to @imbeggar

Today's episode is my magnum opus on the problem of evil/suffering. This video provides every single common apologetic to this issue and allows me the chance to cover this topic once and for all.

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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:43 The Bet
1:36 AI Comparison
3:11 But Perfection Is Boring
6:20 Programmed
7:51 The Problem With God's Foreknowledge
10:29 Organic Bug Or God's Will?
14:07 No Good Is Good Enough To Excuse The Bad
17:58 God's inconsistent Intervening
22:32 Unnecessary Level Of Suffering
27:12 Black Or White Fallacy
28:30 Heaven And Hell
35:03 Jesus As The Answer
38:49 Quiz Question 1
39:41 Question 2
40:36 Question 3
42:40 Question 4
43:59 Question 5
44:17 Question 6
46:00 Question 7
47:24 Question 8
48:03 Question 9
49:18 Question 10
49:37 Final Thoughts
53:38 Patron Thanks

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[MindShift-Brandon]

So happy to be covering this topic fully finally. Thanks for being here for it!

[bobbarron]

If boring means no disease, no poverty, no torture, no suffering, no starvation, give me boring.

[alexanderbean]

Imagine telling a grieving parent who lost their child in the most horrific way possible "hey, at least it ain't boring!"

[Ywabag]

Calling a world without suffering "boring" is cartoonishly evil

[kevinnazario]

On the 2023 earthquake in Turkey that killed over 45, 000 people there was a story that totally demolished me.
There was this man who was working when the quake hitted. When he returned home, his entire neighborhood was gone. It was a set of six story buildings. He lived with his elderly mother, his wife, his two boys and one girl. While looking through the rubble the found the girl's arm . She was alive under tons of debris. There was no way to extract her. The man sat next to her on a chair, holding her hand as she slowly died asking him to save her. She died. The girl was already decomposing, the man was still there holding her hand. His eyes lost. I cannot imagine what was in his mind. He lost his entire family. His entire neighborhood. And for what? Is someone gonna have the balls of quoting Job on me?
I don't give a shit about the divine plan. If the plan is more important than the suffering of the innocent, then there is no benevolent god. Is a cruel sadistic overlord.
I don't know what happened to that man. But the image if him holding his daughter's hand from under the rubble will forever haunt me.

[smoldragon]

Funny how a perfect world without free will is existentially boring when an apologist is justifying the existence of suffering, but NOT existentially boring when the apologist is justifying the concept of Heaven

[MrDumdas]

05:00 so god is entertained by our suffering. Sounds like a super loving dude.

[astrinymris]

Pausing at 14:25 to note that I find it interesting that he doesn't acknowledge that anytime someone uses their "free will" to rape, enslave, rob, or murder *that takes away the victims free will to live as they please*. So in a system with truly free will for everyone, no one would be allowed to commit crimes against against other people's person or property. The system would cause the aggressor bots to freeze up if they tried, or allow the innocent bots to teleport out or throw up a force shield to protect themselves if threatened.

Eventually, the evil-intentioned bots would learn, "Well, *that* doesn't work." and try something non-evil to fill their time. Or maybe they'd stubbornly continue to try doing evil, but since they couldn't actually harm anyone, all the good people could go on with their lives unmolested. There you go: Problem of evil solved, while retaining free will for everyone.

[AdamKlownzinger]

A perfect God would require no apologetics

[JeffryBozes]

"Sure, God *could* make a universe without babies that get flesh eating disease & experience agony for their short life... but seeing babies suffer is just so much fun!!" - Christians, apparently

"Sure, heaven is perfect & there is no suffering... but there are no babies in agony?? This place is BORING!" -Christians, apparently

[mibph]

this video can be summarized in: congratulations now heaven is pointless

[il.anshin]

The ironic thing about apologetics is that its primary purpose isn't to convince non-believers, but rather to ease the cognitive dissonance of believers who hold their faith primarily due to spiritual experiences or emotional reasons. For these individuals, any self-defeating argument is irrelevant because they believe that, in the end, God will make everything right. William Lane Craig once admitted that he would still hold his beliefs even if all the evidence contradicted them, because his experiences, filtered through a religious and cultural lens, are what he interprets as divine.

[BluStarGalaxy]

A chef is making a cake and while preparing the batter half a dozen cockroaches fall in. When guests at the restaurant are served the cake they have a feeling that something is very wrong and inquire to the chef. The chef admits that he allowed the cockroaches to fall in and that it was something that was just bound to happen. When the guests get mad about his carelessness other guests defend the chef and berate the guests that are mad saying that they wouldn’t have been able to do any better and in reality they should not have expected to have the cake any other way.

[erinimagines]

I never understand when people say God allows bad things to happen to bring him glory and that it's worth it?? NO It's not!

[MrFiddler]

I think the only argument worse than "perfection is boring" is "evil/suffering is the refiner's fire." I taught elementary school for 38 years. If I had used any of the tactics the biblical God used to teach a lesson or to discipline I would be rightly incarcerated for life in solitary confinement.

[chameleonx]

Ever notice how every single time an apologist makes an analogy for God, they conveniently forget about the "omnipotent" and "omniscient" part?

[survive]

God can't be around evil yet he created it. Knowing all along what he was doing.

[Ponera-Sama]

Hot take: If unspeakable evil and horror are the logical and inevitable result of free will, then free will is evil, and God is evil for creating it.

[narellepayne]

If a real-life clinical trial was failing so spectacularly, the Ethics Committee would stop the trial.

[roykalager]

The people who think a peaceful world would be boring. Are not creative. People would be more open and fun in general. If they didn't have to worry about so many things. If they realized how much suffering stifles/restricts people.