Read for yourself: Shakespeare was Edward de Vere and Francis Bacon (SNC 59)

Part 59 - Edward de Vere and Francis Bacon printed their names at the beginning of Shakespeare's first two published works, 'Venus and Adonis' and 'Lucrece.'

[Alacrates]

Great video. I definitely agree that that it's best when Baconians and Oxfordians work together & keep in contact, my sense is both camps are approaching the truth of this matter from differing angles.

[simontmitchell]

When you start looking into things like this, well I guess you know. Genius work.

[sonofculloden]

I feel the exact same as you do - this video scratches the surface of these men’s contributions - but undoubtedly they were exactly as you show here. Brilliant work John.

[jamesmcpherson]

Finally! It has seemed obvious to me for some time, that when different people using almost the same methods keep coming up with both names it means both were involved. It would make much more sense that there were multiple people considering the volume of work. It is time that the two sides start working together as these two authors did. Who knows you may find out that there are even more involved. Great job!

[risingson]

A good person to ask and certainly knowledge in this area, might be Alexander Waugh. You can tell he absolutely and honestly loves to discover these hidden gems and seems willing to work with others. He credits others findings often in his own videos. It's just an idea, that if you're stumped on something and it genuinely seems to be significant, it couldn't hurt to send an email or something along those lines. You definitely seem to have some good ideas and you never know what they could lead to.
John Dee, Edward de Vere, Francis Bacon and their contemporaries, were simply genius and incredibly imaginative. It would be nice if folks let go of their emotional attachments, to one camp or the other and collaborate more often. I'd say it's very likely both could have contributed to these works. At the very least, worth considering the possibility.
Great video.

[ronroffel]

This is another superb video in your series. Things are beginning to fit like gears in an immense watch.

Your discovery of the acrostics is amazing and seems to work. I have the feeling that cryptic allusions to Bacon do not necessarily mean he was contributing to the canon as a writer, but an allusion to him and de Vere being co-leaders in the 22 brethren which became known as the Rosicrucians. You refer to this at 4:53.

I believe Bacon was a silent partner in the Shakespeare project. His writing amount to more than 15 large volumes, so I doubt he had any time to write plays or poetry of the sophistication in the works of de Vere. He seemed to be much more interested in the natural sciences, law, and philosophy as his writing shows.

At 3"41 you state that the FRBA/L acrostic is "Francis Bacon". To play devil's advocate here, could the BA be someone else? I would need to see some sort of hint somewhere that you have to change the A to the Greek lambda and cannot see it.

If you look at the first page of Lucrece, notice there are 8 upper-case V's in the second stanza with a value of 40 in Roman numerals. If you add the homophone "to"/two to that number you have 42 which in the Latin Alphabet Repeated Count is equal to TT. Going by the same H equals E method as before, the HT directly above this acrostic would mean "et" or "and". That means the book was helped along by TT (or god) once again and de Vere. Clever chaps, these were.

At 5:09 you mention that the book Lucrece was published around 40 years before the RC formally announced themselves. I have the feeling Dee's Monas Hieroglyphica was the "Ur text" of the fraternity and it was published in 1560 or thereabouts.

I believe that TT means "triple tau", so your hypothesis at 8:13 that de Vere was crowned with the bay laurel may be incorrect. Just putting it out that perhaps de Vere's title in the RC was "Majesty" or also "Magistrate". Line 13 of the First Folio letter To the Reader calls him a "Magistrate of wit" who arranged plays - in other words wrote and produced them - daily.

You mention at 8:27 de Vere was called "King of poets" Hugh Holland calls him "Poet's King" in his poem from the First Folio on line eight of that sonnet. So "majesty" probably refers to de Vere as a poet rather than an actual heir to the English throne.

Here is my thought on the "SA" beneath de Vere's acronym in the first page to Venus and Adonis (8:58): could it mean "semper alpha" or "always (number) one"? Just a thought.

[sonofculloden]

EV HRH - Edward Vere - His Royal Highness

[bootube]

Meanwhile, Queen Elizabeth was busy being Robert Cecil, and the Earl of Essex was camping it up as Arbella Stuart, who was actually Christopher Marlowe pretending to be Francis Walsingham. Nobody fancied being Shakespeare so Shakespeare was stuck with that role for good.

[karl_ralph]

i haven't really watched any other videos about this so you've probably already thought of this, but could the double V also be seen in the double L lambda? another idea i had was to do frequency analysis of the compound intials - like how often does TT pop up compared to what would be expected. would be really interesting to see and also some solid statistical proof

[romanclay]

SONNET 76: "That EVERy word doth almost tell my name."
Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford

[josephinemiller]

I wonder if Bacon and DeVere are half bros.
I love your work!

[thPROJEKT]

The Knights of the Helm are invisible, shaking their spear at ignorance and preparing the English language for the New Atlantis.

[patricktilton]

If the 6-2-4 cipher in the Sonnets Dedication Page text -- and/or the 19-grid messages Waugh has discovered -- are any indication, then the "ever-living poet" (singular) is Edward de Vere, and him only. I don't see the names 'Francis' or 'Bacon' lurking there. Oh, he was probably "in the know" about Oxford's pseudonymous poetry and play-penning, but I don't think De Vere needed anybody to help him write his works. If certain plays were left unfinished after 24 June 1604, then perhaps those plays were 'finished' by a posthumous collaborator, and MAYBE Francis Bacon had a hand in those. But I'm not convinced that LVCRECE's initial lines must be an acrostic -- though I can see how some folks might get excited by it, yet that Lambda/Alpha switcheroo business seems a stretch to me. Maybe if the capital 'L' just happened to have a horizontal dash 'accidentally' positioned through it or beside it . . .

[levitateme]

imagine these guys were challenging eachother with ciphers for fun? or Practice? The notes found in Durham(?) where a noble was trying to figure out the clues, seems like a game amongst the educated elite. Fun to think about.

[zantlozantlom]

I may be stretching things, but could vaia mean both to go and bay? "Could it be, " as in Mahone Bay or as discovered by Roberts, "Bayes de la Toutes Illes" in French, or "Baye of Many Isles?" Through a series of logical steps, Robert used the 1612 Samuel de Champlain's (Bacon claimed was his best alias) chart which mentions "ille aus lou marains, " or "Isle of Sea Lions." This was a moniker for the navy and privateers of the Netherlands. There were times that the English joined the Dutch to fight Spain. Drake, Bacon (secretly an accomplished navigator, Captain, and mapmaker), and Sir Walter Raleigh posed as Dutch privateers. Using calipers and clues left by Bacon, Roberts identified it as our favorite island in Nova Scotia Canada, Oak Island. TT is Bacon. Great work, John!

[seanrai]

5:39 S A = Sigma Alpha. alpha is the 1st letter in the greek alphabet and Sigma is the 18th: 18-1=17 hence: E. VERE 17.

[sharefail]

So good to find a video like this. I have had brief contact with Alexander Waugh and Petter Amundsen and they both seemed uninterested in the other camp. That I do not understand, as both are making the same appeal to the layperson- which is to recognise the reality of the numerous convincing ciphers. That being said, if I remember correctly Waugh mentioned something about a scriptorium and Petter does think the authorship is multiple- i.e. Bacon, Neville and Stanley. So a preliminary guess of mine would be two major writers (Bacon, Oxford) and some other team members with all of them being nobility and some sort of Masonic order. I wouldn't expect this theory to go mainstream any time soon, any more than the Pentagon will tell what they know about UFOs, but it's a fun rabbit hole.

[chris.asi_romeo]

I really thought so that the true William Shakespeare are more than one person and Edward De Vere and Francis Bacon are my best candidate. Glad to know I'm not the only one thinking it. Excellent explanation 👏👏👏👏

[DropDatGame]

Could "SA" be for Anonyme Shakespeare? If reading upwards using French words.

[scottrc]

Except computer analysis (stylometrics) has apparently revealed that all Shakespeare works were written by ONE person.