Warren McGrew and Open Theism

Finally got to a lengthy section responding to Warren McGrew’s response to last week’s program discussing Judas and John 13, playing a major portion of his response and demonstrating its essential errors.

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[HumanAction]

10:05 Is why I watch James White. Absolute classic lol

[CBALLEN]

And how many times did the Jews want to kill Jesus but couldn't because it was not Jesus's time to die and God stopped them?Again, proving man can do only what God wants him to, when He wants it.

[abjoseck]

Warren's position: God is a reactionary God, totally contingent upon the surrounding events. James White's position: God is a predestinating God, totally not contingent upon the surrounding events...

[CBALLEN]

Jesus told Peter hed deny him 3 x, yet Peter, with this foreknowledge of his sin happening, he couldn't not sin.

[tommygrinie]

I guess the king who ate grass for 7 yrs could have chose not too also huh 🤔

[backtotheoriginalgospelsea]

Wow. Warren's example of Judicial hardening actually makes sense in explaining the use of wicked men to fulfill prophecy. I get it. Jesus only needed to choose a wicked man (who was ripe for judgement) as a disciple, in order to fulfill the OT Scripture.
If Judas had not chosen evil, then Jesus would have chosen a different wicked man to fulfill the prophecy. That explaination works for Pilate, etc as well.
"Judicial hardening". That phrase has my wheels turning. Even in a free will scenario, wouldn't God still be sovereign? I could see how God being Sovereign over all his creation could justly control a wicked man as a form of judgement for free will wickedness that preceded the judicial hardening. It seems that is what happened with Pharaoh too. This makes sense. I'm going to do more research.

[dustinellerbe]

What's funny is that the same people who deny Calvinism also say God used fine tuning to create life. As if without the fine tuning, God couldn't have created life the way it is.

[BandyAndysExcellentEssays]

Warren's point is that if human beings can come up with a plan and execute it without having exhaustive knowledge of the future than God can too. God is more capable than us not less capable than us.

[philblagden]

I was interested to see that Warren McGrew is a Pelagian who denies original sin. I think if you are going to argue for Arminianism and free will, you should be a Pelagian. It is more logically consistent, even if it is a total heresy. Guys like McGrew and Leighton Flowers are masters of misrepresentation and straw manning. It's ironic that they accuse James White of this.

[Gisbertus_Voetius]

McGrew sounds like a Socinian. He has literally no idea what the reformed faith is.

[billyr]

This is what you call marrying truth to a lie. The deceiver must use the truth of the Bible and marry to their lie in order to deceive the weak.

[davevandervelde]

I had not seen this yet. Wow we need way more of this clear teaching of Gods word. Mr. Magoo has really become a joke but a dangerous joke since many people do not have the ability to see it.

[jchan]

It's the non Calvinist systematic that implies that God is dependent on man's free will to get God's purposes done.

[edjo]

When it comes to God's SOVEREIGNTY they are willing to build a cottage for God, but man's authority is built into a skyscraper.

[billyr]

If God desires to show his holiness grace and mercy how else would he do it but create the opposite of that? How can there be up if there is no down?

If you say he doesn't have to create the bad stuff how would he showed grace and mercy anyway else?

Was grace and mercy an after thought that occurred to God after the evil just popped up by itself?

[IdolKiller]

Folks need to watch the original videos i released. I never blamed God for men committing evil. White is taking a criticism of his view and claiming im teaching it as true. He did admit to strawmanning me.

[rossreynolds]

This "I used to be a Calvinist" thing is getting pretty silly.

[Jebron_G]

It's not that God isn't big enough to have an eternal purpose thru which he decreees man to sin but more about God is not evil and not the author of it nor does he decree it.

[winburna]

I bet Warren McGrew's Bible has a sharpie mark over Proverbs 16:4

[boltvanderhuge]

J. Baptist was a contingent fulfillment of the prophecy that Elijah would come before the messiah. Prophecy can be fulfilled in different ways.