CATL's sodium hybrid battery will be 30% cheaper & revolutionise the world

CATL's sodium hybrid battery will be 30% cheaper & revolutionise the world

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[bigskygeneration]

Watt-hour Sam!!! Watt-hour. Units are important. Physics depends on it.

[nightshadowblade]

If this battery would really be sold for 40 USD per kWh that would be a gamechanger indeed. That should make a complete pack with 55 kWh (50 usable) for only 3000 USD possible. The weight of such a pack would be around 350 kg, assuming about 160 Wh/kg on the pack level, instead of 200 Wh/kg on the cell level. A 22 kWh pack for a small city car would only cost around 1500 USD and weigh about 150 kg. A solar battery with 2 kWh would only cost about 100 USD and weigh about 14 kg, a home battery with 10 kWh would only cost about 1000 USD, including the BMS, housing etc. and weigh about 70 kg.

[JWFas]

I would try to patent a sodium bromite battery just so I can call my company NaBro.

[SkepticalCaveman]

-20°C is not extremely cold, but for 99% of people it's colder than.they ever get.

[JohnAdams-kcwx]

If you swap a partridge for a pheasant, that’s a game changer

[mwalker]

Just for reference: May 5 2024
The CATL Shenxing Plus LFP battery energy density is 205 Wh/kg (Also has great cold weather performance)
The Tesla 4680 is estimated at 272-296 Wh/kg
This new CATL Sodium Ion hybrid Battery is 200 Wh/Kg (The advange will be 30% cost saving and 90% cold weather performance)

[jovanleon]

Watt *HOUR* per kg, Sam, not just watt per kg.

[rickrimington]

Thanks, Loved the video on the sodium hybrid battery !
I hope you are right about this new battery, . I do remember in one of Toney Seba's talks where he said that from concept to retail use for a new battery is 9 years .
Also every year Lithium batteries have on average fallen by 16% in price and there energy density has increased by 4% on average. So whatever you invent today, has to be alot better than where Lithium will be in 9 years .
All that being said, you would think that Lithium batteries must be getting near to the end of there continuous price falling average of 16% .

[junkerzn]

No, not yet. Getting closer though. CATL and BYD are pulling-up the baseline capabilities of several chemistries. The most interesting right now is CATL's Shenxing 2 (or Shenxing Plus, depending). That one is a LFP battery with (a) very good cold-weather charging, (b) 4C charging, (c) LFP (safety), and (d) around 205 Wh/kg... competitive with NMC.

That covers all the bases except the ultimate ICE killer which will be an energy density closer to 300 Wh/kg... we want THAT in LFP but we don't have it yet. Once we get that, it is game over.

The current sodium battery announcements, particularly the hybrid, are NOT a game-over technology.

-Matt

[rays]

Watt is a unit of power. Watt-hour is a unit of energy. Battery energy storage capacity is measured in watt-hours. Battery energy density is measured in watt-hours per kilogram.

[Athoughtfulatheist]

As a Canadian I can tell you we often go colder than -20ºC.

[BillMitchell-lmdg]

It's ENERGY density is 200 watt-HOURS per kilogram.
Watts per kilogram would be power density.

[waywardgeologist]

Here in Michigan it can get to -20 C. Most ICE vehicles have trouble starting without a engine block warmer.

[alex.velasco]

Sam, I can't describe how much I enjoy your videos. You bring us news from the state-of-the-art of technology and explain in clear language and clear-headedness what it ‘signifies.’ That’s precious!

[leehargreaves]

You can now start to see a sort of Moore's Law affecting EV prices. ICE technology has got marginally more efficient over the last 40 years (small capacity, 3 cylinders, high-revving turbos ..etc) but at the expense of more complexity. It's really gone as far as it can go. My Dad's 1978 2.0L Ford Cortina is really not that different to my last ICE car, a 2016 2.0L Ford Sierra.
Battery technology is evolving so rapidly, especially if Solid-state goes into full production, that we could be looking at overtaking ICE in every aspect in 10 years (range, charging speeds, weight ... everything).
13 years ago the Mk1 Nissan LEAF did about 120km maximum. Now we're approaching the point where 400km is becoming standard. I can genuinely see 500km being ubiquitous in 10 years, with 1000km on high-end vehicles.
It's great to be part of this revolution and witness the rapid evolution.

[daviddunmore]

90% charge at -20C. Essential even in New York. When I was working there in the early 1080s we had -1F/-18C and barely any higher for a few weeks, so that when the temp rose to 32F/0C I was walking around without a coat and not feeling cold.

[pearsonfrank]

I realise many people on here don't know that China is a vast country, in the NE Heilongjiang province is close to the coldest town on the planet c-30/50 to the Far east in Xinjiang, , Taklaman desert temperatures can be over 40. Surprisingly they test the vehicles to operate in Both regions.

[jeffbangkok]

Just drove my 02 CRV to breakfast in Bangkok that you can see the fuel gauge dropping as you drive. My wife and I discussing how new battery technology is changing daily. Hope I live long enough to find the right EV for us.

[daemn]

I cringe every time you keep expressing energy density in in "Watts per Kg". It's Watt Hours per Kg (or per unit volume). Watts is a measure of instantaneous power. Why do we care? Because the other important metric is power density which is Watts per unit volume and it's about how fast you can get get power out of the battery, rather than how much it stores (matters a lot for fast cars and airplane). But you know all this already, so please stop using incorrect units.

[KeDa-sj]

Keep in mind that Tony S. gave his predictions in 2010 or 2014 dollars which are now almost worth $2 each. So in reality he was very conservative in his estimates on the speed of battery prices dropping. Hopefully the same will go for Solar power systems. So now, with energy and transport nearly handled, all we need are good governments and good food!