So The Truth Finally Comes Out...Kylo Ren Adam Driver

Adam Driver appeared on the @RichEisenShow and reveals the depths of Kylo Ren's origins from JJ Abrams, only to have Rian Johnson change the whole original plan around for fit his The Last Jedi movie...
I think JJ's original idea would have been better.
No Ben Solo. No Dyad in Rise of Skywalker. No Rey vs Palpatine. Nothing.

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[-AcrossTheStars]

The writers truly hated the OT trio. They just disrespected those characters from start to finish. Had the only offspring from the Skywalker/Solo family kill and or abuse them all and then in the end wiped out the entire family. What absolute garbage

[bigdawg]

Adam knew how much potential his character truly had

[Mexozark]

Kylo Ren was poised to be one of the best characters of the sequel trilogy. Amazing actor in Adam Driver, grandson of Anakin Skywalker, great planned character arc. So sad that Disney failed such an amazing opportunity.

[DarkDiddy]

just rewatched TFA today and after hearing this interview I really think Adam did a better job than I previously thought. He is almost childish in TFA because he's trying so hard to be bad. if they had kept his arc going i have no doubt Adam would've delivered very well

[jameslikesit]

Kylo is compelling mostly because of Adam, not because of the writing. Imagine if he had a really good script and consistent direction to work with lol

[brianmreilly]

I'm soo glad that you and my boy Mauler have set aside elementary playground rules and linked up for some of the most compelling and highly relatable content I've listened to in a VERY long time. Cheers to both of you well spoken gentleman, and here's to hoping that we will experience a proper continuation of the Star Wars Cinematic Universe in our lifetimes. Carry On Boys!

[daveblackman]

It’s sad how one of the biggest movie franchises was basically was made up on the fly. No plan at all.

[mikestanmore]

I'm with you on Rey going to the Dark Side, Theory. She looked angry practically every time she used the Force!

[DasKatze]

It’s such a good point made. EVEN IF YOU LIKE THE SEQUEL TRILOGY, you CANNOT pretend that Disney handled the property well and with care and with forethought. There wasn’t a plan. We know, quite literally, they made a 3-part movie series - part of a wider 9-part series - without even an outline. How can anybody pretend that’s handling the property with care?

[derworfnet]

My favourite bit of acting from Driver was actually his (nearly silent) performance as Ben Solo near the end of ROTS. I liked that so much that I was asking myself "Why couldn't we have THIS for the majority of the Trilogy?" Like, he starts off good, falls to the Dark Side in Ep.VIII but turns back in IX.

[ihavethehighground]

The scene where Kylo and Finn look at eachother so intensely after Hans death was the best scene in Episode 7. They ruin it with Finn not being the Jedi.

[rehanimus]

Totally agree on your comment on Adam. Love him. He's was the best part of the sequel trilogy, despite being mistreated so badly

[The_Griffins_]

Though I despise the sequels even I will concede that for the most part Adam Drivers performance was the major aspect of the sequel trilogy

[seabicuit]

I remember leaving TFA realizing it was similar to ANH but was so intrigued by all the characters and where they’d go. I left TLJ feeling there was no way you could possibly wrap this up with 1 movie. I do feel Rian would have made a good original movie or trilogy, but he was a poor choice for a middle part with the established characters. I really feel bad for sequel trilogy’s actors.

[stryfer]

Listening to this, it just dawned on me how little to no dark side struggles there were in the sequel trilogy. One of the central themes of Star Wars was about resisting the dark side of the force and that's barely touched upon through Kylo Ren and even there it's not really a struggle so much as things just happening. It felt more like Marvel villains/heroes switching sides than fighting temptation.

[jorgelizaso]

The supposed Episode 8 was garbage, but the supposed episode 7 was trash too.
* I say "supposed" cause they're not part of Star Wars to me, as simple as that.
Adam Driver is a great actor, but Kylo Ren was a horrible Star Wars villain, and way more suited for the Twilight Saga than Star Wars, from almost the beginning ... would say than from the first moment he removed his helmet. And him losing the first battle against that character I don't even want to mention, was just pathetic.

[clipchamprazor]

Unforgivables:

1. Big 3 never in the same room together.
2. Luke being pathetic.
3. Not leaning into the idea of a "New Jedi Order"- Your whole plot could have been Luke tried it the way the old Jedi did, realizes that removing attachments resulted in Vader and Kylo Ren, and makes changes to the Jedi Code before he dies.
4. Teasing Finn and making him a garbage character by the second movie.
5. Starkiller Base was extremely stupid.
6. Not explaining in the films why the New Republic has no means of defending itself or how the First Order was ever allowed to exist. You have to read novels for that.
7. Cancelling out the chosen one's contributions and making it feel like ROTJ didn't matter.

These movies should have been easy. They didn't require a crazy plot. The building blocks were there: PT is a cautionary tale, OT is about saving the galaxy to fix the PT, and ST should have been about establishing the new status quo. It's simple story circle/Joseph Campbell plot writing.

Food for thought: The only reason we still crave stories from these eras is because the Sequel Trilogy didn't do a good job of putting a bow on this story, and so we are unfulfilled and want more. We could have been in an era where we were mainly exploring beyond the ST or the Old Republic eras, but instead we are stuck slogging through more PT-ST era stories in hopes something makes us feel better about how it ends.

[Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

Yeah I agree, Rey should have also been drawn to the dark. I think she should have fallen and become Kylo’s apprentice and then Finn becomes the hero. Maybe he redeems her in the end but Kylo should have definitely become darker and darker and a level of threat Vader would have been if he hadn’t been burned.

[dustinfreeman]

If JJ had directed all 3, and Kylo had had this arc, it might have made the whole Kylo losing to Rey thing slightly better. Not great, but better. If he had come back in 8 and absolutely mucked Rey during a confrontation at the end of the film, it would have helped tell this story of Kylo fully embracing being on the dark side and turning into a true threat for the conclusion of the trilogy for episode 9. It would have helped make his first defeat to Rey be as a result of his inner turmoil he was feeling at the time.

[Horracioz]

Adam driver in the movie Marriage Story solidified him as an S Tier actor for me