Eilonwy is NOT a Princess?! | Disney Black Cauldron Theory - The Fangirl

Hear me out, the book and the movie versions of The Black Cauldron are way different. And, if I'm right, this Disney theory will answers questions raised in the movie about Eilonwy and Taran!

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[SprinkledTruffles]

I actually like the thought of Eilonwy just pretending to be a princess... It's natural for children to put themselves in heroic roles like that, and honestly I would do the same if I were her. I agree with your theory, you make a lot of good points and I enjoyed your video!

[itachi]

One requirement for a character to be a “Disney princess” is that the movie they were in did well at the box office or made a lot of money. This is why kida from the lost city of Atlantis is not considered a Disney princess even though she was a princess turned queen in a Disney movie.

[fablethewolf]

The books go into a lot more detail about that. In the books, Prydain is a nation divided into smaller kingdoms, but without a High King acting as ruler of the whole nation, the kingdoms have turned to war and many kingdoms have fallen. Eilonwy's kingdom fell when she was small, and Flewder's (he's a king by birth, but pretends to be a bard because bards have more fun. Who knew, right?) is on the verge of collapse.

[ChiriDarkrose]

Eilonwy was called a Sculley Maid as an insult in the book of "The Black Cauldron" I think it was some guy that said it though.

[berrypie]

I looked back at the movie just to be sure. Interesting how she never does mention her home or family. All she says is that the Horned King stole her, only because he thought her bubble thing could tell him about the cauldron. So, when it comes to the Disney version, she could very well just be a maid posing as a princess. But regardless, she's one of the few things I like about this movie.

[charleslee]

They could make this into a series. Just have 10-15 episodes per season, for three or four seasons, and it'll flesh out the characters.

[thebookworm]

"People get mad when i reference the books, and people get mad when i don't"
Come on, guys, it's not hard to pick up a side
"WHY is this girl wandering around with no sense of propose??? *THIS IS HOW YOU GET REKIDNAPED!!!* ", LOL, i can't, my lady 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anyways, can't wait for the live-action remake, so they can save my childhood movie *as it deserves* (too bad they probably won't do the same with Treasure Planet, smh)

[mynameismaddymwah]

Omg I actually love the Black Cauldron and I would totally by a HenWen Teddy if the Disney Store sold them💛💜👍🏻

[PhoenixPrime]

It'd be really cool if The Black Cauldron got a live-action remake. The animated movie had a lot of potential, but the creators botched it during production. We should all put up a petition to give it another chance! Plus it'd be great to see The Horned King again, haha.

[leiahmarie]

I feel the same way with Kida from Atlantis the lost empire, The move is underrated and Disney's first attempted at Sci-fi I know it didn't do well but Kida is a princess and even becomes queen at the end! P.S do you have any theories on this movie?

[carissacarlson]

Loved the theory. It makes a lot of sense.

4:03 - 4:56 Well...technically speaking, there are official requirements to get the title of Disney Princess. The Super Carlin Brothers talk about it in detail. But basically, they are...

1. Have a primary role in the story
2. Must be a human
3. Must not premire in a squeal
4. either born royal, married royal or committed a great act of heroism (which is how Mulan got on the list along with Tink and Esmeralda in the past)
5. Box office success ( said movie can't bomb or over shadow the other ladies in the line up; so successful, but not too successful)

She's not included because of money. Plain and simple. The movie didn't make it's money back and was too dark, so Disney shoved the movie into the background and focused on the other ladies for the sake of their image. It's the same thing that happened to Kida from Atlantis, though more so because of the money, and a lot of the other possible candidates. It sucks, but from a business prospective it makes sense. Why throw money at something at a movie made back in the 80s that bombed and most little kids never heard of? It doesn't seem like a smart investment. I'm not saying your theory isn't true. But I just don't think Disney didn't include her because she "wasn't a princess" at all.

[justincarawan-carawanco.pu]

It actually makes more sense for her to be a skullery maid, it would explain why she's free to move about the dungeon. Everyone else was tied up, but if she just "worked" there, she'd be allowed to roam around freely to due her duties.

[ztellarvibrationz]

I loved The Black Cauldron on its own, and it's a shame it didn't do well because it wasn't bad as its own entity. Yes it wasn't close to the original, but on its own, it was a decent film. I do agree that Eilonwy isn't an actual princess, probably a practicing mage undercover as a maid of some sort. To me though, she definitely deserves a spot in the Disney Princess line for being a courageous character.

I would also buy a Hen Wen plushy as well! She is so cute and deserved more recognition.

[Taniya]

I actually loved Black Cauldron. c: And Eilonwy has always been one of my favorite princesses. Interesting theory that she might not actually be one! I did find it strange how she was pretty much ignored by the kingdom itself. Surely SOMEONE would have noticed if the princess went missing

[tjjordan]

I was so used to Disney using princess characters that I literally thought she was a princess, until I realized years later that she was pretending. Which, when you get right down to it, is what both Taran and Eilonwy are doing, 'pretending'.

[AsariGreenfire]

+ Translation of the book title: The Chronicles Of Britan. Prydain is WELSH for Briton.
There are references to The Mabonogi in this movie, and that makes me so happy!
The Calderon & the horned is a reference to Branwen Daughter Of Llur & Celtic gods, with King Arthur mixed in. Here's A Fact: Celtic languages don't share the same grammar systems as latin based languages such as French and English.
The LL is a sounding letter in the welsh alphabet, we have certain sounds letters that if u get thous down u can pick up the language slightly easier.

[bboops]

The black cauldron was my 2nd favorite movie when I was a kid. I loved it. My first favorite was the Swan Princess (I'd love a theory on that if you're willing, seriously, I've seen it so many times). Then Black Cauldron. I remember my mom getting frustrated because she couldn't find any merch for me. Then came the Sword in the Stone. And finally Pocahontas. My parents actually had to organize a trip to Jamestown because 4 year old me was obsessed. Eventually Mulan dethroned them all as my favorite animated movie. It's hard though because I love animated movies and most of them will always hold a special place for me.

[Cory]

The Theory is sound, but I think it's over thinking. Disney didn't think that hard. Likely assuming either people read the book or they could make sequels or something.

The Black Cauldron was an attempt to grow beyond Disney's limitations, which failed. Like chocolate covered trout, it doesn't work. So as a Failure, Disney buries it to forget. Like a non-racist Song of the South.

The Princess line is less about Princesses and more a way to sell Dolls together. Which is why Elsa and Anna are not technically Princesses as they can sell toys on their own. Including their own section of the shelves. Which is why the too haven't been coranated by Disney. Or why non-princesses have been and are in the line.

[_alastorwindsortheguy]

THE TITLE TRIGGERED ME! I READ ALL THE BOOK, AND SHE IS THE PRINCESS OF LLYR! THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING! MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE BOOKS!

[tawnie]

They discarded Giselle of Enchanted as well. Enchanted was great!!!