What is Hell? | Jonathan Pageau

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[DougRobertson]

"The psychotic drowns in the same waters in which the mystic swims with delight"

[kennyblobbin]

We want to earn our salvation. Kids know god loves them. They live carefree. The kingdom of god belongs to them. They aren’t trying to earn acceptance. They receive good things without a question. They believe life is good and wonderful and beautiful and awesome.

[orthodoxchristianchants]

Jonathan explained the Orthodox Christian reality of hell, very well here.

[MrSofuskroghlarsen]

I cannot imagine anything else than fullness of love for everyone, ultimately, even the darkest of humanity, I hope, will be transfigured and opened by God's bruning love.

[evanhuizenga]

"And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

Jesus is speaking about "heaven" and "hell" here, this clip helped me realize this.

[SF-ogfq]

God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. God is love, and all who live in love live in god, and god lives in them.

Love in it's essence is spiritual fire.
-Seneca II

[panokostouros]

Jonathan "Enter into your Love" Pageau

[George-urow]

This is a part of essence-energy theology in Orthodoxy, found nowhere else in Christianity. A wonderful Orthodox distinctive.

[thattimestampguy]

0:07 Hades
2:06 Letting Go of Sin makes Fire a Deifying Fire
4:16 Pentecost, Full Presence of God

[Tyler_W]

"Hell" is the love of God wrongly received, like how one who hates responds to the one who loves them anyway. Maybe I'm wrong, but the more I think about it, that's why if it is true as the Bible says that God is love, that love never fails, that God's anger burns for a moment, but his unchanging love endures forever, that it is the will of God that nobody should perish, that all that will remain is faith, hope and love, and that nothing is impossible with God, more and more I can't help but conclude that the "hell" if God's love only "burns" so long as you let it. You can resist as long as you like because love does not coerce one to love in return, but I don't think that finite man can resist infinite love forever. If nothing is impossible witu God, I don't believe "no hope" is in God's vocabulary, that there is such a thing as there is no hope for someone. That would seem to imply that the will of man is greater than the will of God.

[SimpleAmadeus]

Interesting that you mention transparency. I was just working through an epiphany this week about the way light works, revealing a lot about the way God works. God is Light, and typically He is white Light, which is all colors combined. Whereas colors represent different themes (which also touches on the topic of iconography), and black represents darkness an absence of light.

I realized that the only way we can understand what white truly is, is by knowing what colors are. This means that you see an incomplete form of white, in fact a darker form of white, in order to learn about white. The way we learn about God is very similar. God is all in all, but the way we learn about Him is by experiencing his various traits in a smaller, darker way, in this fallen world. I think this also explains why God sometimes appears to be unloving, or unwise, or weak. It is not that He is lacking in these areas, but that His "Light" is being separated, as through a prism, in order to focus special attention to certain aspects of Him.

Running further with that metaphor, I considered that since light heats up darker surfaces, the only way to avoid being "heated" by light is to be a bright surface that reflects the light. The symbolism here translates to being holy in order not to be heated/burned, whilst being black would make you incredibly hot, and of course, as scripture repeatedly says, sinful people love the darkness, so that parallel seems to check out. Hell is described by Jesus as both "fire" and "darkness". Following the analogy (and I realize this part is speculation), that may correspond to those who are darkened by their sin being forced to choose/alternate between burning in the Light of God or suffering in the darkness of sin. Neither will bring joy.

I hadn't considered transparency yet, but it appears to portray a very similar concept of hell. I had thought of the solution being bright by "reflecting" God's Light, but maybe transparency (which I assume corresponds to self-denial) might be the better approach. I'm not sure.

[Sokofeather]

Throughout my protestant upbringing, Hell has been described as a place (rather than a state of being, which is never suggested), defined by "absence of God's presence", "the only place God isn't present”. This is totally opposite.

[kenim]

Hell could well be the reality experienced when God reveals His unrestrained self before sinners. If the best of us (at the time) like Isaiah were utterly in pain and undone before the presence of God, how much more pain will suffer those who are lost in their sins.

Revelation 14 tells us that “he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever”.

[johnlynch]

2:45 PERFECT. THANK YOU. HELL IS A PLACE NONE WANTS TO GO TO BUT EVERYBODY FINDS THEMSELVES IN; FROM TIME TO TIME.

[adambowe]

The more I listen to Jonathan the more I here bhuddist thought in his deciphering of Christian text. Truth is universal.

[vladislavstezhko]

Pageau is such a mind! Always find the best answers here

[TheChristicMystic]

““Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
Matt. 25:41

Verses like these are so interesting. Since the eternal fire (which really is just the presence of God) is ultimately the fire that God prepares within Himself to burn away everything that is not of love’s kind, it is also simultaneously that state of fragmentation where the soul experiences alienation and isolation; which seems to be expressed in the “Depart from Me…” as God (you could say) casts everything of spiritual delusion into utter oblivion. Maybe it’s as if God casts those who contradict Him away from a particular manifestation of His presence into another manifestation of His presence altogether. How peculiar🤔

[kevin_heslip]

Man I've had this intuition for a bit now but had no clue how to say it, thanks.

[brittmclean]

"Our God is a consuming fire" To those who love God it's Heavens hearth fire, to those who do not love God it burns like Hell.

[jacksonbaker]

The idea of the fire representing the presence of God ties interestingly into aspects of the Old Testament where Israelites feared seeing the face of God because it would burn them to nothingness. Additionally, from the perspective of death being a function of disorder, fire is a plasma. Plasma is the state of matter in which the particles are at their most chaotic, agitated and disorganized. Fun thoughts!