Audiences Hate Bad Writing, Not Strong Women | Nux Rants

the wise and powerful @master_samwise makes the claim that Audiences Hate Bad Writing, Not Strong Women. and i completely agree...

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[MonkeeKnucklez]

Writing men and women as normal, reasonable human beings with logical motivations? What a novel idea!

[byrondobbie]

Animated mulan: I might not be as physically strong as the trained men around me so I'll work hard and figure out how to overcome this shortcoming

Live action mulan: I was born with superpowers and immediately superior to those around me

Guess which one is more enjoyable

[thomasbrown]

The best way I think this can be put is that people don't hate strong female characters. They hate "strong female characters™". Big entertainment studios have made it into an absolutely horrible trope.

[motheotladi]

Man I kinda feel like the writers who wrote she-hulk and Peter pan and Wendy are like those people who think wearing glasses make them smarter or something

[JadePharaoh]

We have grown up with tons of strong female characters in fiction. Samus Aran, Sarah Connor, Ellen Ripley, Sailor Moon, Chun-li, just to name a few of the popular ones, and virtually no one complained.

[Placeholder]

Strong woman is a great South Park character

[SamRen-dbkh]

"And you can prove a point with your story" hits really well when you have a mental block creatively. Well done, Nux. Awesome as always.

[Dionysus]

The worst thing is that western journalists and writers don't even understand anime characters and what makes them good.

I once had the misfortune of having been shown an article from Kotaku (ew) which praised a female character from an anime for all the wrong reasons, putting her flaws on a pedestal and implying that these negative character traits are what makes her better than the other members of the cast or other girls in that franchise... even though these exact same traits are the ones the character has to work on and learn to overcome and basically do a 180° on to become a more complete person.
The article completely got her backwards.

(btw. the article was about Ruki from Digimon Tamers and it praised her being ruthless, mistrustful and ambitious because she "wanted to win", even when one of her biggest moments of growth is to realize that there is nothing to win because she isn't actually playing a game and Digimon are actually real living beings.)

[TheScarcro]

Even if a character is perfect and doesn't struggle that much, it doesn't make a character bad. What would make this character insufferable, would be the character being smug about it and rubbing under everyones noses how much better they are. If a perfect character is at least humble (not too humble ofc) and respects people around them even though the character is much better than everyone around them, I would bet, that most people would like the character anyways.

[benschultz]

The problem with these kinds of characters is that they don't grow or change with the world around them, it's that the world needs to change _for them_

[Lemontart]

Literally. There are amazing example on how to properly write women in media.

[xrosslegends]

Even Mary Sues and Gary Stues can be likable if they're at least funny or even decent human beings, but a lot of these strong female protagonists are just straight up evil or full of hate and discontent, not to mention smug (and not in a good way).

[necrosteel]

In regards to goblin slayer, he is actually very capable even beyond just goblins considering all the things he actually fought, the thing about him is that he is a great representation of sacrifice, he threw away soo much to be what he is, every moment he spends not fighting goblins in mostly spent in preparation for future battles, he is always ready for battle hence why he never takes of his armor except when servicing it with the blacksmith, like bruh he shows up with it in his sleep to. There is no grand adventure for him, just day in and day out of what is basically a one man crusade, he only slowly opens up more when he spends more time with his party members' company, slowly becoming more human.

[milpy]

Being yourself is the starting point of being healthy. You become great by trying to become better than yourself.

Never expected to hear such deep words from Nux of all people. Good job!

[wardenm]

Honestly the problem is they treat it like a promotional point, rather than a natural character trait. You see the same with a lot of virtue signaling media and their inclusion of LGBTQ characters as well. It's almost reminiscent of blacksploitation filmmaking back in the day, in some ways. Hollywood simply sees it as an untapped audience, and is clumsily trying to appeal to them. Compare that instead to moving like, say, Alien, where the script specifically had gender neutral names, and characters developed naturally, not as a marketing gimmick.

[SkyEcho]

"Being yourself" has resulted in the most self centered generation in like 100 years. Something I learned is that while there is something called "Talent" there will always be a 'wall' for talent. Hard work will ALWAYS surpass uncultivated talent. You won't be enough, whether that is right now, or if that's that one person alone can't complete the objective. You WILL fail, it's what you do after failure that defines you.

[elevate]

10:54
Here's another example: Shinobu from Demon Slayer. Shinobu's lack of physical strength is called out in her introduction. She's not physically strong enough to cut the heads off demons. But that doesn't make her any less lethal because she uses poisons in her fighting style. Maybe she can't behead a Demon but she can make them literally melt into goop as they scream for help that will never come. Shinobu has an entirely unique fighting style and an entirely unique sword and calls to attention that, yes, there are ways of killing demons that don't require you to have super strength.

[jellan]

It funny how Disney and Hollywood is quick to complain about overpowered male character, so there answer is "Let's just to the same thing to woman and some how people will like them". Little Suprise when it doesn't work 😤

[jaykknight]

Slayers is such a great example of a group of characters with varying specialties who all feel relevant through the story

[letfireraindown]

Absolutely! Just thinking on Goblin Slayer more, 3 arcs in the first season does that. The raid on the goblins near the elven boarder highlights the skills of his new team, and the ass pull to beat the orge required the team buying time without him.
Water Town featured everybody having needed skills and the humans being at disadvantage to their peers. But constant pressure invading the goblins turf got them running.
Season 1 conclusion, the farm raid, he did what was necessary and asked for support. It took convincing and strategy, but they got the raid and lost only a few lives.