Did this Muslim DEBUNK the Trinity in 30 Seconds?

The Muslim in this video clearly thinks this was a “Gotcha!” moment. In fact, the video is titled Trinity debunked in 30 seconds. Wow! That’s a pretty big claim. So, let’s pull out the Red Pen and see if it works.

It’s not surprising why this argument is so appealing. After all, it seems to show how Christians affirm two contradictory ideas. On the one hand, if we say that Jesus is God, then he must also believe God can die because Jesus died. On the other hand, if we say that God can’t die, then Jesus can’t be God because Jesus died.

So, what’s wrong with this argument? This reasoning relies on an equivocation of the word ‘die.’ An equivocation, for you logic nerds, is the fallacy of using a word in two different senses in an argument.

In this case, the word ‘die’ is being used in two different senses. Webster’s dictionary defines die as ‘pass from physical life.’ But it also defines die as ‘pass out of existence.’

If this Muslim asked me, “Can God die?” I would reply, “It depends on what you mean by ‘die’ and it depends on what you mean by ‘God.’” You see, when terms are not clearly defined, people can end up talking in circles. (This video is case in point).

So, can God die? Well, God cannot cease to exist. In that sense, God cannot die. What about that other sense? Can God die physically? Well, a non-physical God can’t die physically. Since Christians believe God the Father and God the Spirit are not physical, they cannot die in that sense either.

However, Christians hold that God the Son took on flesh and dwelt among us (as John says). The one divine Person of Jesus has two distinct natures: a fully human nature and a fully divine nature. This is called the hypostatic union. And, it’s because of the hypostatic union, that everything experienced in the two natures of Christ must be said to be experienced by the one, divine Person. So, the divine Person of Christ, for example, learned to walk and talk since he is the subject of everything experienced through his two natures.

Okay, so can God die? Well, if we’re talking about God the Son incarnate and if we’re talking about physical death (not ceasing to exist), then, yes, in that sense, God can and did die!

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[timothy]

The death on the cross proved Jesus’ humanity. The empty tomb proved His divinity.

[joelheath]

Jesus took on a mortal body, so that he COULD die and be the divine sacrifice.

[Ryvaken]

A fun question to throw back at the Muslim is, is God alive? By the scientific definition of life, he isn't. So clearly, not only are we dealing with an equivocation, we're dealing with a categorization error. The definition of life needs to be addressed, too.

[whatsup]

One of the best channels I've ever seen. NEVER stop.

[AM-prgc]

Ex Muslim here, never stop exposing them. Jesus is king 🙏🏾

[NinjaRG]

"debunks" *doesnt let him finish his sentence*

[Carson-jk]

He didn’t debunk the holy trinity, he intentionally took the christian’s words out of context and blocking his full speech to make himself feel better and look better.

[Digganob]

In other words, death is one of the things which can happen to a physical creature - whether or not that physical creature has a spirit which continues to exist after death, and which can be re-connected with its body.

So, as a human being can die (but not cease existing), Jesus, being a human being, can die. Jesus, being also God, can still die. But His dying is not a contradiction with His Godhood, because it is only death in the same way all humans die - physically.

Muslims, by using this argument, are either playing word games, or making death more than what it is, while also strangely cheapening what death is.

Also, you can ask them, so the Quran is eternal? But you can destroy a Quran, can't you? Therefore, the Quran is mortal! And see how they like that line of thinking.

[buddyforbes]

Thank you. I too have fallen to the trap of accepting the premise of the question instead of making sure that we agree with the terms of the question. Always ask questions when faced with a difficult question. 😇

[mmbrothersstudio]

Thank you! I always appreciate your videos! Your careful attention to detail and calm response should be the approach of every apologist and evangelist. You are an excellent example of the goal being the fight for the soul, not the fight for the argument. Thanks again Red Pen Logic!

[ryanrocha]

As I was watching the debate between the Christian and the Muslim, a question that popped in my head was, "did God stay dead?" Jesus' resurrection should never be absent in a discussion of His death.

[ryankelly]

He’s using that equivocation to create a straw man, so it’s actually two fallacies in one. The Christian in the video likely doesn’t have the education in logical argumentation to even know where to start.

[Bad_Llama]

What's always interesting to me is the Muslim attempts to destroy the trinity when I don't think they understand what it is. Even their false prophet got it wrong in the Koran, saying in Koran 5:116 that Mary and Jesus were claiming to be God, implying Mohamed thought the trinity was the Father, Son and Mary. If Mohamed can't get the trinity correct, how can we expect Muslims to get the trinity correct? Or do they not believe their own supposedly perfect book?

[greenpieceofmind]

I would love to see you touch on Islamic topics more often. It is still one of the most apparent plagues in this modern world.

[nader]

That Muslim was talking and didn't want to listen. That's how Muslims get into arguments talk without listening.

[ryankelly]

Baffled only by his lack of understanding of the concept he wants to argue against.

[ericglass]

So good! Allways, before answering questions, make sure to ask, "what do you mean by that"

[alt_account]

Red Pen Logic, thank you for your videos. They are really informing. God Bless you 🙏

[Dah_J]

As a Christian, I believe Jesus received the punishment for all of human history’s sin in one moment. That was when “my God my God why have you forsaken me” and then said “it is finished” I believe Jesus was separated from the father for that moment, because that’s what our punishment for sin is. Separation from God.

[GwesleyKing]

Dude. That was a very good break down. Thank you so much for all you do! Keep up the great work!