Why Marriage? (Why not Civil Unions?) - John Corvino

Some people wonder why the fight for marriage rights is important to gays and lesbians, given marriage's spotty history. Others wonder why it's important to call it "marriage" -- aren't "civil unions" enough? John Corvino explains why the rights and responsibilities of marriage are important, and how "separate but equal" never really ends up being truly equal.

Dr. John Corvino, also known as the "Gay Moralist," is a writer, speaker, and philosophy professor at Wayne State University in Detroit. He is the co-author, with Maggie Gallagher, of the book Debating Same-Sex Marriage (Oxford Univ. Press, 2012).

SPECIAL THANKS to "Son of Thunder" for the Arabic subtitles.

[fabiomacklean]

Thanks John
You make me remember when gay people were labeled as the "Inteligent Ones", not the "Promiscuous Ones".
Make me remember and I quote Mark Ruffalo on The New Heart - "I'm part of a culture that gave the world Plato, Sapho, Alexander The Great, Michelangelo (1475-1564), Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519), William Shakespeare, Walt Whitman (1819-1892), Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Marcel Proust, Alan Turing (1912 - 1954) - The man who cracked the German Cryptic Code in WWII, amogst many others.
This people and you of course make me feel proud of who I am every day of my life.

[Echo]

I would have loved to have had this guy as a philosophy professor when I was in college.

[laurakelley]

Completely reasonable and well-articulated. I don't understand how any person could disagree.

[MrHauntedman]

I agree, but the government should not recognize the legal privileges as Marriage. That word is too closely tied to religious tradition. The government should use a neutral term to refer to all relationships under it. Including homosexual and heterosexual couples alike, because indeed, "separate but equal" is not equal. That said, I do sympathize with the desire to bring the change about as quickly as possible.

[CupidsBeau]

1. If a child cannot fully understand what they are engaging in - it is not truly consent. The same could be said, and has been said, of people with mental deficiencies who are of legal age. Just because they are of legal age doesn't mean they fully grasp the full implications of what they are doing OR what someone is doing to them.

[CupidsBeau]

(cont.) 1. Your argument that a child can clearly tell you what and whom they like doesn't mean they fully understand the entirety of a sexual relationship. Anyone can tell you who they are friends with or "like" and that something feels "okay" or "good". That does not equal consent under the law. That does not show an adult's grasp of the situation and what consequences could come of a relationship - whether it be with someone their own age or with a pedophile.

[trailrunner]

Read Paula Ettelbricks "Since when is marriage a path to liberation". Where she devoted her life to the establishment and acceptance of alternative types of relationships, this movement further perpetuates a bourgeois idea about relationships and how to build them. Very shortsighted.

[GayTempest]

As South Park said in one of their episodes, "Instead of marriage, how about 'butt-buddies?" That's just slightly more insulting than we find people who want to debate terminology and the semantics of definitions.

[CupidsBeau]

Yes, let's examine foreign countries and their policies in regards to marriage. Are you suggesting we follow the beliefs/laws in countries where men can treat their women like property? Where a woman raped by her husband is not protected? Where a woman raped by a man other than her husband is killed while the man is not? Which country and which definition of heterosexual marriage are we looking at?

[williamr.lacerda]

John Corvino is a superb never-seen-before mediatic phenomenon deserving a criterious sense of psychology and politics. His unparallelled expertise in sophistry is stounding. Sometimes he stands out as a stand-up comedian philosophing sophisms like a quick thought-juggler entertaining adolescent psyches, sometimes he captivates even his enemies with a sense of exquisite, shocking serenpendity. He reflects perfectly and brilliantly the core reality not only of the transmediatic society, but also of the post-most modern collective mind of masses and the core spirit of our times. His aura is magnetic and charismatic. He has designed himself to excel himself in such a most perfect balance between mediatic appeals and ideologies that seems pure artificial intelligence mirroring the matrix of the New Order.

Anatomy is something common between us and animals. It speaks for itself.

Can you tell me why I am drawn by professor John Corvino? I like to freeze his videos only to see his A.I.-like ventriloquist's phisiognomy.

He is... so surreal...!

Who besides only professor John Corvino represents so exactly the core of tertiary education and its ongoing now-future? He seems to be self-designed and designed for these times.

I can't believe this is happening! Tell me: Is this for real?

Hitler reborn? What would this look like today? Hitler would instantly discern and respond adequately to the present zeitgeist. He would not come again to kill like a Caesar. He would be much more like a developed emperor Constantine. No. He would be like John Corvino: redeemer, consoler, cajoler, sophistic, mass-oracular, transmediatically sex appealing, sexologist, physically fit, ventriloquistically eloquent, self-designed, yes-no philosophically ambiguous, people-oriented, charismatic, gay friendly, etc... John Corvino is the ideal antichrist because he alleges to be a follower of Christ while simultaneously he discontrues what Jesus preached, Jesus' God Father's values and Jesus' character by substituting the gospel for transmediatic mass ideologies. Ideologies have been largely used as a narcissistic ethical falacious embelishment make-up.

The luciferian spirit of Hitler would come not killing Jews and throwing christians into the furnaces. He would create such an ideological and political pressure that the social context would directly and indirectly force you to deny your faith to be politically correct and sociologically acceptable. The new present Collesium doesn't have real lions today. They have an invisible unimaginable power to make you compromise your faith with silence, omission, post-modern transmediatic ethical appropriacy, etc, by making you hide your witness of the Light of the gospel behind ideological gospel fashions, media-appealing gospel fashions, icons, symbols, popular world-friendly novelties. This is the 666. Alhtough the chip is also a yield of this commercial transmediatic ideological narcissistic anthropocentric culture worldwide. It appeals to the beast more than to the spirit in us. It has to do directly with an immediate fusing intimate contact with the earth and its material and physical commercial reality than something ethereal and transcendent, unless it is "indigo vogue" also appealing to mystical narcissism anyway.


John Corvino is an ideological pseudo-philophical superbly sophistic ventriloquist of the social mass media's ideo-narcissistic appeal, a stand-up comedian appealing to sarcasm within that mean and wicked corner of the minds of the masses, a quick thought-juggler entertaining adolescent psyches, a brainwasher, and that's something that translates exactly what education and politics these last days mean.

John Corvino is selling himself very well, and his price is 666... The beast emerges from the masses... People are buying his ideas euphorically. The zeitgeist of the times!

2 Tessalonians 2 and John 3: 19 to 21.

Homossexuality is an affective self-catering retro-projection. It is sexual self-idolatry just like narcissism, egocentrism, pride, hetero lust, greed, mediatic self-centeredness, flattering. Anatomy shows God's purpose and speaks for itself. From anti-homophobia campaign this gay ideology has reversed itself into gay indoctrination, explicitly. John Corvino will be America's y generation's priest, father, leader, mirror, oracle, god, pope, antichrist.

666 is a culture. It is an ideology. A chip is a product of this culture. What contaminates our souls come from within. So, these ideologies with strong political and social power will affect the order of our surroundings, of our society, up to a global crescendo of everything directly and indirectly involving our psychosocial relationship with the world and backwards the other way around. It is a type of meta-neo-nazism. The more governments empower televisive media, image media, commercial media, etc, the more they will be creating a geopolitical checkmate much more complex than simply a catch-22 situation. Transender spectrum politics coming from sociology in the U.S.A., for example, will create a political pole reversion scenario that will strengthen and attract conflictual issues related to Iran, for example, even empowering even more of communism as a link between China and Russia, even though these countries don't necessarily agree with these issues or ideologies, but they will take advantage of them to manipulate countries in South America. Islamic causes in the Trojan Horse of immigration will, for example, get agglutinated with gender causes, and this will consequently allow for alliance and allegiance to China and Russia. You are creating your own ruin pathway of self-destruction like, alegorically speaking, matter and antimatter meeting together. This will be God's perfect judgement last checkmate. You will harvest the consequences of your folly. In Brazil and Venezuela we already can see examples of Islamism in the package of immigration binding together with transgender causes, and guess which side of the world political pole it tips over to?

You Americans are working freely for the Triplet Russia-China-Islamic nations because you Americans create ideologies with a very high social appeal for the masses empowering them with an ideo-narcissistic self-worth that are indissociable from what is considered authentic socialism and communism here in South America and around the world because these basic political ideologies are subsequently faithful and allied to its origins, and its origins are from Russia and China. So the more desperate to gain public appeal by using gender and gay ideologies, you are working harder and freely for the polarization towards the Russia-China-Islamic nations triplet. The United States create, China copies, and that will be the practice off in the deal because it is a strict question of survivance more than peace and commercial agreements. They will not abide to what you sign up for a long time. You are investing in your own cultural and ethnic extinction.

You are empowering Iran-Russia-China trade and politics, and masonic articulations because in Latin America Islamists, socialists, communists, immigrants from Syria, Venezuala, Cuba, Colombia, etc, can't dissociate communism-socialism from the triplet that I have just mentioned. For them, it would be contradictory to call any socialist and communist cause legimate if any local president had any affinity with the U.S.A., except for the culture of American vanities and ideologies and mediatic products, which can be easily copied by China. Have you already forgotten that Venezuela and Mahmoud Ahmadinejab are in good terms? Have you already forgotten that Putin or China won't admit intervention in Venezuela? If you are a legimate sociologist-communist in these countries, you have to be agaisnt the U.S.A., otherwise you are out of the game of negotiations. Muslim, Arabic and Islamic immigrants tend to vote for people from their own culture in Europe and the U.S.A.. You are in darkness about the reality that gender and gay ideologies in South America is fusingly bound to immigration ideologies, green ideologies, communist ideologies, ideologies of humanization of animals, witchcraft ideologies, etc. They are inseparable. If you are for any of these ideologies, you can't be for the U.S.A. in practice. Only in words. These transmediatic narcissistic ideologies highly appeal to self-centeredness and are polarized for China-Iran-Russia masonically. If masonically, also commercially and politically. The U.S.A. creates the technological, mediatic, ideological culture that will certainly backlash like a witchcraft turning back to its witch.

I don't believe in one personal antichrist. But in a union of antichrists in a system called "the antichrist". The antichrist, the beast, the false ideological prophet, the son of lawlessness ( anarchy ) are systems and a generation. I see them very clearly and securely as a type of trinity of evil. You are walking to the abyss. Your effets cannot control La Palma volcano, the volcanos in Iceland, the volcanos around the world, the Cascadian Subduction Zone movement, the hot blobs, the super-bomb-fusing-cyclones, the sequence hurricanes, the pests, the meteors, and that meteor coming towards the earth. I will just wait and see your downfall and the World New Order fiasco and permanent collapse.

You hate my sincerity because you fear me or because subconsciosly you know deep inside I am being not only truthful and sincere? You sense something you are denying rationally. Ok then. Give it a try.

Luke 22:53: "... this is your hour, and the power of darkness.”

[SPArrowhawk]

1. Heterosexuality being good does not preclude homosexuality from being good.

2. Same answer.

3. I don't live in the US, I live in Australia. And I have asked many people here; they have no problem with it. I have met gay couples, I have met straight couples that have no problem with gays being married.

[JimexJimex]

What about calling it Type A Marriage or Type Red Marriage or something.
The verb "marry" and the noun "marriage" will still be in effect. Just different sub-types.

[PlzInsert]

Wish he mentioned how marriage did not originate from Christianity and that many religions/sects that have marriage ceremonies do believe in same-sex marriage.

[timmothycopeland]

I'll take your word for it. Been single for 51 years and no prospects on the horizon. Carry on.

[DinethCat]

I'm bi and I'm more in support of civil unions than full "marriage". Now I know this is politically unpopular and no I do not hate myself, I accept the fact that I'm bi and I can be in a long term monogamous relationship, it's just that I believe more in Justice than "Equality". We are different compared to straight people and I think we need to acknowledge that. Marriage as a social institution is part of a heterosexual culture. What's wrong with civil unions which promise the same benefits of marriage to LGBT people.

[nategraham]

My thoughts on the civil union idea is that they were still opposed to any form of recognition, and it hinges on the separate but equal principle, which in this country at least was illegal.

[SPArrowhawk]

I'm not denying anything; and I'd be surprised if polygamy or bestiality had a massive groundswell of support for their legalisation. But you know, I'm not going to argue against this point, because the video I mentioned before argues against it far, far better than I can. If that logic that Prof. Corvino puts forward does not satisfy, then I doubt anything else will.

You still haven't answered my question: why is homosexual marriage 'messed up' as you put it? What precisely is 'messed up'?

[murex]

Spot on, keep up the good work, Steve

[GNZOU]

On a happier note, more marriage means more jobs for florists and wedding photographers.

[SPArrowhawk]

Pedophilia: A child is not legally considered able to give consent to sexual behaviour. A homosexual relationship between two adults results from consent between both parties.

Bestiality: An animal cannot give explicit consent to sexual behaviour with a human. Two gay adult humans can give explicit consent.