We Still Haven’t Learned the Correct Lessons From World War 2 | Jonathan Pageau

Taken from March 2019 Q&A

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[RogerTheil]

You hit the nail on the head of this one. The tragic end result of WWII is that nobody learned the real lessons and nobody discusses them. We just adopted an ideological explanation for WWII and its result that hangs over it like an ill-fitting shirt and doesn't even describe half of it or what we really needed to learn from it.

[MrRickkramer]

It was nice knowing you all 😂 see you on the flip side

[gcummings]

The Middle Ages were the sweetest times the earth has ever seen, not because life was easy, it was not,
but because life was simple.

[dawnsicari]

There is always hope✝️🙏💜 In Christ. That is our refuge

[bradicas]

The extreme’s really do manifest each other. At my local parish there was a meeting for parents on transgender identity in schools and media. This is an extreme talking point for our diocese. while the lecture was happening, someone was on the outside of the church, trying to burn it down they caught a Mary rose garden on fire that’s connected to the building. Many liberal Catholics leave the homilies at this particular parish. I’m really searching for the middle ground it’s getting crazy.

[ChrisStrat]

Your videos are amazing and we are watching it happen before our eyes. I just returned to Orthodoxy after a long time away.

[josephtravers]

There was a commonality between the Bolsheviks and Nazis, the State replaced the Church. It was a rivalry between pagans.

[caseywhite]

wow this was the realest thing ever posted by Jon

[kevinhertzler]

When you mention something about a potential of no hope everyone should stop and listen. What should be the takeaway? What lessons should we learn? (Sorry for stupid questions)

[superstitiousfishes]

whomever edited this clip: did you really mean it to end with Jonathan saying "if there's a massive recession it's like there's no, there's no hope" c'mon guys.

[adalke]

"What I relate is the history of the next two centuries. I describe what is coming, what is inevitable: the rise of nihilism. This tale can already be told, for necessity itself is at work here." - Preface of The Will to Power.
"What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?" - The Gay Science, 125

[Magnulus]

It's simpler than that. The 20th century was a century of bloodshed due to the clash of totalizing ideologies in general. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc. were all about a clash of ideologies. Hence why postmodern readings became popular among intellectuals after WWII, because they were about deconstructing totalizing ideologies. What I think is significant is how most of the war in the 20th century was driven by propaganda rooted in things like fear and envy.

[CedanyTheAlaskan]

"if there's a massive recession" uh oh

[foodchewer]

2:28 Mr. Pageau: I don't want to get flamed as a commie or anything, but I absolutely agree, there is too much a tendency to just talk about our material problems as if they just dropped out of the sky or grew out of some innate evilness, however, the method of "historical materialism" that the Marxists helped develop would really help here as its aim is to address the long chains of events, forces, actions, and conditions that lead up to further events, forces, actions, and conditions in history. I really hope to see, in our own times, a dialectical synthesis of Marx, Hegel, and the traditions of Christianity. And of course these three things are contradictory, that's why the solution is dialectical and synthetic.

[mathewhill]

If there is a mass economic recession? It's not if, it's when.

[samtjman]

Something I find interesting is the failure of Japan as well. They had a kingdom of sorts which was tied to a strong identity, and I think everyone today would agree that didn't work out so well.

[LudiusQuassas]

I would argue that the use of the word 'globalism' is not helpful.
Globalism is just a rehash of internationalism, maybe even popularized as a term so we don't remember the disasters that entailed after the conception of internationalist foreign policy.

[Sclunger]

What would things look like of there was a massive recession but we were all oriented towards Christ?

[arspsychologia]

Has anyone here seen Europa: the Last Battle? It's a great documentary on this sort of subject, I can give a link (with spaces in between so youtube doesn't get mad) if anyone's interested.

[jaceydurland]

Well, as it turns out, the economy is tanking. So I guess there is no hope then.