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[patrickmchargue]

The SLS is working out exactly as it was supposed to: a multi-billion dollar jobs program.

[Ilikemycomments]

Don't blame taxpayers for contractors losing their jobs; Blame Boeing for being a corrupt and inefficient contractor. They've have had their doors blown off by SpaceX and the gap will only continue to widen.

[letsgetoutsidenow]

Ha, not surprising that the Senate Launch System would be: inefficient, over budget, and behind schedule.

[raspas]

As soon as he said Boeing I was like I'm pretty sure where the rest of the video is going

[phillipkalaveras]

It was a jobs program that was never meant to actually go to the moon.

[Barbaroossa]

"Boeing" - there's your problem

[jeffbrown]

Many within NASA never liked SLS from the start. This program was never sustainable under NASA's budget. Unless the budget for NASA is dramatically increased then SLS is doomed.

[eherrmann]

The Artemis program as designed was doomed to fail from the beginning. SLS was pitched to congress as a cost effective way to use existing technologies and left over hardware from the Shuttle program. What it really was was a way to keep the employees at Boeing and Lockheed employed. The congress loved it because they have constituents in their districts working in those plants around the country, and keeping them happy gets the congress critters votes. The big problem with Artemis is that there are just too many moving parts. The fact that 60 years ago, we were able to go to the moon and come back with just one rocket, and now we need not one, not two, but three different versions of the same rocket just to get people there, then more, totally separate hardware (plus a space station, don't forget Gateway) to get to the surface and back is just ridiculous.

[stevecam]

6:28 Boeing/NASA would lose well trained workers if SLS was cancelled??
"Quality control issues at Michoud are largely due to the lack of a sufficient number of trained and experienced aerospace workers at Boeing."

[StarLightDotPhotos]

What people don't understand is that starting with the space shuttle, NASA has been more of a jobs program than it has been a human-spaceflight exploration program.

[larrygilbert]

I worked at MAF in the 80s, in maintenance. That's where the External Tank was built for the STS. A lot of the production workers had either worked on the Saturn program or were trained up by old workers from the Saturn program. This was true in production and maintenance, as well as prevalent in engineering. I suspect that, when the Shuttle program ended, most of those people either retired or went to work elsewhere. All that accumulated experience was lost. When the SLS program was started, most of the people who knew how to properly build the tanks and maintain the equipment used to build them were gone. Boeing had to start over with new people and train them. Unfortunately, Boeing had lost or discarded the importance of good engineering, good production techniques, and good maintenance. (Plug doors on aircraft held in with tape anyone?)

Before you suggest the people who build the Saturn boosters had to be trained, too, I'll say two things. First, Boeing still placed high importance on engineering and production techniques in the 60s. Second, most of those people had worked in the aircraft industry or had been building rockets since the 50s. I also hate to think it, but I worry that Boeing has lost sight of the Zero Defect Concept. You can never achieve it, but your engineering, your production work, and your maintenance work must always strive for zero defects when building manned flight hardware, whether for space or air.

[OldMan]

We need to totally get away from single use equipment. It’s too costly and not necessary.

[burnlootmurder]

It's ugly. America's most beautiful rocket was the Saturn 5.

[gilbertnf]

2:38 - now that's the perfect definition: inefficient, bloated, wastful bureaucracy, that do not produce results.

[andyx]

"...our first mission to the surface of the moon in seventy years"

Huh? Our last mission to the surface was 1972, not 1952.

[markfisher]

You can't keep factories open just to keep jobs. With this thinking we should still have steam train factories and telephone exchange centers. The jobs will still be there just at another factory. They are not the first workers to change industries or move home for work. If anything, people taking aerospace technology out it to other industries would be a bonus

[regolith]

7:23 "Yes there are some issues with [Orion's] heat shield, but that's more a problem around reusing the capsule. It's not going to pose any danger to the crew."

That is incorrect. Orion was never going to be re-used (aside from a few token internal components like the avionics computer, which is largely "reuse" PR instead of genuinely useful & cost-effective reusability), so the problem isn't with reuse but with its first & only REENTRY. The heat shield damage (which NASA euphemistically described as "charring" in a classic gaslighting/obfuscating move) was significant (large chunks broke off) and more importantly, is still not well understood (or NASA does understand it and are not telling us because it's even worse than we fear). If the problem isn't well understood, and the cause not identified, it cannot be declared safe. By definition.

[runemasterish]

Let's make a really expensive rocket and throw it away every time we use it.

[Jordan]

SLS is the best rocket for 20 years ago. We can do better now.

[laurogarza]

There is a HUGE difference between being "cancelled" and "failed."