Physicist Reacts to Why We Should NOT Look For Aliens — The Dark Forest

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[bobjackson]

Shoutout to the guy that recommended you to the dark forest. I hope everything goes well with him 💯

[mrexists]

I read a book that had a similar answer to the fermi paradox, but instead of just the ones that are quiet keeping their heads down being the only civilizations out there, it was one big ancient galaxy wide civilization that was wiping out anything that could be a threat and the ones keeping quiet were the survivors

[donnienarko]

Shout-out to the dude about to submit his Master's Thesis for I just barely went back to school after 10 years of hard times. I won't lie, hard times persist, but I feel really good about going back to school, and going back has reintroduced to how stressful school can be even when life is going smoothly. I'm still undergrad though, I can't imagine how insanely difficult a MASTER'S thesis would be while going through things as intense as back surgery! Like wow, I seriously can't even put the respect I have for that dude's struggles and perseverance into words without feeling like I'm falling horribly short of describing how much I admire how he's getting it done anyway. Man, I only hope I can be as resilient as that when I move up to grad school. But it is comforting to know it can be done, because he's obviously doing it! I look forward to the day I hear about him receiving his Master's, and subsequently his PhD if he's planning on going that route. I have no doubt he will get that PhD if he goes for it. Long comment, I know, but for real... Mad respect to that guy for pushing through till the end. Amazing!

[Raktus]

Forge of God/Anvil of Stars are my two favorite books covering the concept of the Dark Forest, also by my favorite science fiction writer Greg Bear (Rest in Peace)

[StephanG]

I can't help but feel that when people think about these sorts of things, that they impose an aweful lot of human nature onto aliens. Things like curiosity, wonder, awe, etc. The thing that we seem to be in a bit of denial about, is that beneath all of our higher thoughts and emotions, we do things the things that we do because of what we enjoy. We ponder questions like these simply because we like pondering them. Because it's fun. And the thing that people don't seem to have quite grasped yet, is that we have NO IDEA what kind of things aliens enjoy.

[Kilwede]

Shoutout to your friend! Congratulations and great job and I wish you a speedy recovery bro!

[oLevLovesLove]

Typical misconception of Dark Forest hypothesis is that it has anything to do with human nature and our legacy of conflict. It is likely that first contact with aliens will be peaceful and so will the next 100. However it only takes one bad contact with asshole aliens to end your civilization, and this possibility is also hypothesized by all aliens. When two hunters spot each other at the edge of the clearing it doesn't matter whether they shoot each other. If they stepped into the light to initiate contact there is a non zero chance that a third, unseen hunter ends them both.
The way out of the Dark Forest scenario is if there were multiple alien civilizations in contact with each other, sharing culture and mixing populations across multiple worlds while proactively seeing out more uncontacted aliens to invite them to do the same. A galactic community would do many things to improve the wealth and technology of its participants and above all they would agree to rightly end any asshole aliens that start slinging RKVs around.
This would be like if the metaphorical clearing in the dark forest had a village full of aliens partying with big fires, loud music and smell of delicious food. No new alien that contacted them would dare to attack because there is no way to kill them all before retaliation, but if they step out into the light they get to join the party.
Yet the clearing is empty, there is no fire to be seen and no music to be heard in the dark forest. It isn't a matter of our technology being insufficient to detect aliens because a galactic community would be looking for us to bring us into the light and preempt us from becoming paranoid RKV slinging assholes.
So long as we observe no aliens, the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi Paradox remains a possibility.

[aroncanapa]

you should cover anton petrovs video about how manmade objects outweigh the entire biosphere would love to hear your thoughts on that because thats terrifying to me

[Elydir]

I'm just going to point out that people like Mengele, or doctors from Unit 731 were also scientists looking for answers. One's way of looking for answers may not necessarily be good for everyone involved.

[pjdougherty]

I believe there’s life out there… but I also believe we’re so astronomically far apart that we’ll never ever meet each other.

[xFurashux]

One thing that is a common mistake in talking about Kurzgesagt. It's not a 1 guy but a whole team. They just use 1 voice guy.

[tjw]

A civilization can be friend with other civilizations countless times, but it can only die once

[softan]

I can't help but thinking that a highly advanced civilization may not be bound to only one planet, or maybe even planets at all. My point is that annihilating a planet may not be enough to wipe out that civilization and now you've set yourself up for retaliation. So maybe the smart move wouldn't be to strike first.

[Hoytash]

Also shoutout to old mate. hope he gets a HD for the thesis!

[KC.]

Love your vids been watching since you first started watching Rick and morty and haven’t stopped watching. Keep making banger vids.

[kuyab]

I don't know if it's being "responsible" most notably for a scientist to claim for certain that something exists without solid evidence and relying solely on statistics. But let us qualify life outside of our own. Is it intelligent life? Or is it just the most basic form of life like one-celled organisms?

[______IV]

I really think the most productive first contact would be a massive exchange of music and art.

[SeleverEnjoyer]

18:10, a civilization that has solidified their presence outside of their star system would probably mean one thing: survival is inevitable so, maybe, expansion is a must.

[cudawade]

I have a question about the vpn? How do you change the sever location

[galoistheorem]

I think the answer has to do with a maturity. How mature we are as a mankind to be ready to meet new intelligent life outside of our realm. I don't know, I really liked one of final section of "All Tomorrow" when mankind are finally ready to meet others outside of galaxy.