Water Based vs Oil Based White Gloss Paint, which is best?

In this video I'm looking at water based gloss paint and trying to get over my fear of it. I've been using oil based gloss for about 30 years but it's time to move on. Water based gloss has been around for a good 10 years or so now and I think it's actually a usable product now. I'm looking at Leyland Quick Drying Water Based Gloss and Dulux Trade Water Based Gloss and comparing both to traditional Dulux Once Oil Based Gloss. This is NOT a sponsored video. Subscribe and enjoy!

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[krazytroutcatcher]

As a painter with varied experience over forty years, motor trade, industrial, commercial and domestic, I have had the opportunity to use an array of paint types.
However, the problem in a domestic application is using solvent based paints, if the home was empty, it was fine, use the paint as it stands, or use a paint drier, the paint drier was horrendous, even for an experienced painter, brilliant for speeding up drying time, but the increase in vapours could literally be eye watering.
As you state, water based stays whiter, and dries quicker, although I have found some paints never feel truly dry, they have a tacky feel to them, as opposed to oil based on the surface feeling dry, but soft.

In service, the oil based dries, and does turn yellow, but yet it’s very easy to clean from handprints etc.
This isn’t the case with water based paints, I have found this to go softer and tackier in areas where the paint is handled, bannister rails and around door handles.
The paint seems to harbour dirt and germs, requires much more regular cleaning, and the softness causes the paint to roll off when cleaning.

I believe the technology has a way to go yet, and myself am considering a move back to oil based, the children have left home now, so the risk is all mine.

[mufuliramark]

Really helpful wee video. I’ve already started using water based gloss due to the ease of clean up, but you’ve settled the matter for me as to what they all do. Cheers for the effort.

[peckelhaze]

I use Leyland and it is great. Cleaning is just minutes and in that time the paint is dry. Easy to apply as long as you don't dither, I brush it on the roller it for smoother effect. A great review.

[Dolko]

I used to be a painter back in the 90’ in Sweden. The waterbased paint was then fairly new, so we used both. But I dont’t think, unless the customer is adement, that any painter uses oil based paint in Sweden or has done since at least 2000, when we are talking about cover paint (or what you call it in the UK).

[Jamesisapayne]

Great video, very informative and helped us decide to go for water-based gloss over oil - would like to have seen the tests done with a brush as well just to see how the brush marks come out as I've found with water-based paint it obviously dries a lot quicker and doesn't seem to flatten out as well as oil-based paint.

[jamestroke]

Great video mate.
I love Leyland primer undercoat it one of the best out there.
Try the leyland oil based satinwood, it’s an amazing paint for high traffic areas, like doors and banisters and gives a real quality finish.

Cheers James

[robertgoldbornatyout]

Thank you for sharing your hard-earned experience and know-how with us!! Excellent content and commentary on the video, including your replies in text. Truly nice work. Many thanks.

[davidjeffreys]

I have to use oil based gloss for work sometimes when the need arises, and at the start i didn't like the sound of using the water based but i think with me it's got to a stage that i want to try it out. I think when you are painting doors etc and you have to deal with the smell, plus any possible runs you get at the corner of panels, the time it takes to dry, and especially when you have to clean up and put tacky equipment back in the van with a fear of anything tipping over and getting it on stuff you wouldn't want it on, i just can't wait to be able to wash my brush and trays out under the tap and not have to worry about it, plus how quick it would dry too compared to oil based paints. Love the Geordie accent by the way followed by the Jimmy Nail grin. I'm glad you told me al aboot that. Many Thanks

[markgough]

Thanks for that. Really well explained and filmed and illustrated.

[terencebennison]

Never liked oil based paint so I didn't need much convincing to use water based. Great vid thanks.

[derekdaly]

Many years ago I worked for Synthetic Resins who made the base resin for paints (among other things) we had a resin for paint which was oil based but didn't yellow. At the time it was considered too expensive to use in the domestic setting but I suspect the real reason is because if the paint didnt yellow they would sell less paint.

[firehorse]

I used dulux gloss went yellow within 2 weeks moved to johnstones  (Leyland) its fantastic stays white, that said the dulux 10x diamond satinwood is very good and stays white!

[budte]

I qualified as a house painter and decorator in the late 70s. Yes, I have seen a few yellow radiators, but most of the time people will naturally want to redecorate long before any paint goes yellow. I have never ever really come across this yellowing as a real issue to consider. The primary purpose for painting is protection of whatever you are painting. Aesthetics are secondary. A good quality oil-based or solvent based as they are now called absolutely wipes the floor with water-based in my view. Although there was quite a good microporous water based product I used many year ago. As for smells, it is for 24 hours no more. Most people just need to open a window or stay out of it. Your maintenance cycle will be longer with oil-based paints. I expect there are some reasonable water-based wood paints now, but that is all they are, reasonable. The best paint for wood I have used is Sikken Onol, Satura and Rubbol. If you twisted my arm and made me use water -based Sikkens do water-based versions too.

Most trained painters will tell you you cannot put a gloss coat (oil-based) directly over another (as you did for demonstration purposes) and they are right. Gloss is the hard shiny protection against the outside world, but dry gloss is shiny/slippy and one function of undercoat is to provide effectively a softer non-slip coat between those two hard shiny gloss coats - if you have ever sanded down gloss and it just peels off, this is because someone did not undercoat - however, there is one exception when you can compromise and gloss directly onto gloss and that is how you did it in your demonstration - ie. within 24-36hours (depending on weather). During that time the first gloss coat may be touch dry, but still curing and in doing so it draws air in. This creates suction. Paint a second coat during this time and the suction will pull the second coat onto the first and they will bind together - but the finish will not be quite so good as the same suction will grab the paint and stop it levelling out so easily. This is useful on exterior woodwork where you want to get an extra thickness of gloss for protection.

[MartiA]

Never used water based undercoat / gloss combinations before but been keen to try so bought the Valspar combination. Found your vid incredible useful and well produced. The high speed with voice over is a lesson many YouTube instruction video makers should learn from. First coat of U/C now done and I'm planning to follow your suggestion and try a roller for the gloss. One thing I have noticed; the water based settles easily so either get the shop to spin it up on their shaker or dance around the room shaking the can like a junkie looking for a hit.

[alansandom]

As a non painter, water based gloss is not a gloss but more a satin finish. I find it difficult to get good coverage without brush marks ! Where cutting in around edges first and then filling in have yet to get anything like a good finish, at best one can say it's clean and bright!

[Budget-Cars-And-Bikes]

Super helpful videos :)

One question, I have ordered some Leyland undercoat, and water based Gloss, but I want the kitchen units in the Leyland White, and the doors in a Sky Blue, but Leyland don't seem to do any others Colours apart from Black or White? so can you suggest any water based Colour gloss paints for my MDF doors? Thanks :)

[screwtube]

Switched to water based a while ago love it and the leyland stuff is pretty good. Harder to work with but the benefits outweigh the bad. Clean up is a doddle too! Nice video.

[mccordja]

Great video; however, would like to see some durability test... for example, repetitive scratching of a fingernail on each to see how they hold up in comparison. Kitchens are places where this would happen frequently. I only hear about and haven’t found true test. Thanks again for you informative video.

[seychelles]

Do you not sand between gloss coats?

I’ve also found using a brush on water based paint leave brush marks. Is it best to water down and give two coats?

[keveen]

Really useful sort of test. Logical. The deciding factor for me is that I'm just about to DIY paint some indoor windows and because of the weather there is no way I'm using oil based gloss because of the horrible smell and I won't want to keep windows open. I will probably continue o use gloss outside.