Our Top 5 Turnoffs in Games - Gencon 2022

The Dice Tower takes a look at their Top 5 Turnoffs in Games at Gencon 2022

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[monksgamingchannel]

The addition of Mike to the show over the past years has really elevated the channel. He's a true gem in my mind :)

[benhoff]

"Zip lining through a forest canopy or some off track betting den trying to put $20 down on Chonky Donkey to win in the 5th." Made me burst out laughing

[RadoActveman]

This might be the best audio quality you guys have ever had for a live show. Great job!

[danteshydratshirt]

Mike and Zee are always worth watching

[dancondonjones]

Wendy was absolutely right about IP games. They can be good (like Dune Imperium) but my immediate thought with IP games is that they started life as a business deal rather than as a designer’s idea for a great game. It could still turn out to be good, but it’s not as good a start.

[twoquestionmarks]

1) Components, that once punched, do not fit back in the box. 2) Lid that doesnt shut 3) Components that do not stay in place once the box is rotated resulting in organizing before set-up. 4) Vague instructions. 5) Miniatures just to have miniatures.

[markusbiewer]

Great list, I agree with all of you! My biggest turn off has not been mentioned: Huge, overproduced games on KS with 10 KS-exclusive expansions, useless deluxe tokens and counters, KS-exclusive 10 card promo pack and useless miniatures that hide the fact that the game is not that good that go for $300. With VAT and shipping you're paying $400. Ridiculous.

[pallenaama]

I'd add incomplete rules.
It's so frustrating when you've read the rules a couple of times. Then you invite friends over to play your new game. You teach the game, start playing and something comes up that isn't answered in the rulebook. On to bgg you go, hoping that someone has already found the answer you're looking for. Eventually the game gets couple of pages of faq and errata.
Playtest your games with groups that are not familiar with your game. Get these questions answered and errors corrected before you print the rulebook and include them there.

[jari-pekkasuuronen]

This dude who`s in audience in every single occasion is by far the biggest turnoff of this video.

[gamera]

Its like Mike's list is nothing but "Yes! Thank you! Preach!!!" over and over and the rest are a big mix of "Yeah i guess" or "What? No wrong."
Thank you Mike for bringing a good opinion to the gang. 😁

[highbrowloubrew]

"You're wrong, have you ever played this?!" "No because it's a turn off!" Poor Wendy and Chris getting railed on for doing the right thing. I'm with y'all on a lot of your picks!!!

[NATOnova]

great list and especially agree with Mike's pick of memory as a main mechanism. There's so many games that hide information even though the info was made public. I think if information was made public it should almost always be kept public and not secret

[Chris_IsBoard]

Protect Mike at all costs. His intro to his number 3 is one of the funniest things I've heard.

[FreakinFred]

My biggest turn off when watching a Dice Tower “Top Ten” is when an audience member is obnoxiously laughing after every comment.

[thankukorea]

Saw this live and honestly it was so much more fun in person. You can feel the fun :)

[cursivecurses]

Many years ago, I was on the phone discussing reviews and games for college classrooms with a rep for an unnamed company, and they said "Oh, college students, what about [game] After Dark?" and I said "Well, it's a Christian school, " and they said "Oh, well how about [same game] Bible edition?"

[bonnycrew]

YES, this was so good! Thanks for also sharing with those of us who couldn't make it to the live show 🙂

[danacoleman]

Thank you Tom for your number three. I heartily agree. I often wonder how many people really and truly find those games appealing. I think the real problem is, a lot of people would otherwise be too embarrassed to say " let's play a board game" to other adults. It's an unfortunate problem.

[bfletcher]

Semi co op can work. Auztrailia is a great example. Everyone is competing to win, but if the group does not collectively do well, then the game beats everyone. I wish more games were like this.

[jameswoodard]

I don't get the problem everyone had with Wendy's #4. I think it was pretty straightforward. She *wasn't* saying she doesn't like IPs. She *wasn't* saying games of IPs are necessarily bad. She's just saying that IP-based games tend to not be as good, with obvious exceptions. She's not going to play a game just based on IP. You are going to have to explain why it's actually a good game first. There are a lot of bad IP-based games out there that only get purchased because of the IP. This list is mostly about when you look at a game at the first impressions stage, are there things about it that lower your expectations of liking it. That's what "turn offs" are.
Look at Marvel-based games. Yes, there are several *really good* Marvel games, but there are even more cheap, thoughtless, money-grabs, that no one would buy without the license. This goes off of Tom's #5 as well.
Everyone saying, "do you like LoTR?" "Do you like Marvel?" etc., are completely missing the point. She likes *good games* and the majority of IP-based stuff isn't as good as it should be. Though some are obviously great.