If AMD were the Same as Nvidia GPUs... Would You Care? (FSR is Getting an Upgrade!)

The same features... we're talking about the same features.

News just broke out that AMD is working on AI Upscaling for their GPUs to compete more directly with Nvidia's DLSS. Which is a huge turn of events from AMD, but really cool news at the same time. It could allow AMD graphics cards to have much less compromises compared to Nvidia which just narrows the gap between their gaming performance (as long as it looks and performs well).

HOWEVER! This whole situation almost brings up more questions than answers... What GPUs will be compatible? Will AMD require you to upgrade?? How long will it take to be good and accessible in games? In this, we try and answer these to our greatest extent. But let me know what you think on how this could go!

==JOIN THE DISCORD!==

0:00- DLSS is so good, AMD had to answer
1:38- AMD switched up
2:45- Possibilities of AMD AI Upscaling
4:36- Compatibility Problem.
7:36- The XESS Approach...
9:40- Too little, too late?
12:01- Infinite Possibilities

[ktvx.]

You can't have it both ways, we've been complaining about FSR not being an ML algorithm for so long, now that we're finally getting it we're gonna complain about compatibility with old cards? That's just how it goes, the underlying hardware is necessary. We already have a fallback, it's FSR.

[BUDA]

Microsoft said that DriectSR is NOT their upscaler, but an API to use 3rd party upscales and make it easy for developers to integrate them all, so the dev uses DirectSR and the game automatically has all XeSS, DLSS, FSR etc

[StyleshStorm]

Whatever nets me the most bang for buck. It's rough out here eating tree bark.

[georgevel]

If AI fsr is coming to rx7000 series it will be epic

[armathyx]

Vex making the same "AMD has just now caught up to Nvidia" video every week for a full year now

[VelcroSnake]

I mean, if I buy a GPU powerful enough to not need upscaling, does it matter? But anyway, even if some of the stuff Nvidia has is better than AMD, some of the stuff AMD has is better than Nvidia. Since I give no shits about RT yet, and I actually don't think FSR 2.1 or 2.2 looks as bad at 1440p and up that the internet keeps telling me it does, I did upgrade a second time to a new AMD card. I just don't want to lose the software features and driver package they offer. Stuff like having overclocking and undervolting built into Adrenaline and things like Radeon Chill, which is great in games. Went from a 1080 Ti to a 6800 for three years, and now to a 7900 XTX, and feeling no regrets.

[hatchetman]

I think they're going to have normal FSR for 5000 and 6000 cards and AI upscaling on 7000+. It just makes the most sense to me. But that would make me even happier with this 7800 XT.

[Paelmoon]

Do people really expect to take old ass cards and utilise AI upscaling technologies? You have to start somewhere, like nvidia did, and 7000 series is as good as any point. Having a fallback would be nice, but AMD don't have to backhaul every card they made to make this work the same as on a new card.

[ocha-time]

Best bang for Buck was always the way. If the software package is best as well, even better. I paid $300 for a 6800XT so I don't have to rely on any upscaling, and RT's always off anyways.

[Dragonlord]

As long as fsr keeps a no machine learning version then that'd be perfect

[shanent]

All AMD RDNA 2 GPUs have hardware to accelerate AI. They support mixed precision FP16, INT4, INT8, and INT16 matrix operations, the kinds of operations used for AI training and inference

[George-mrfy]

AMD's in-driver Fluid motion frames is a great feature for a guy like me with a RX 6600. I tried it in Alan Wake II and it works really good with one minor fps drop for a couple of seconds, and I hope this feature gets better over time.

[cosmingurau]

Dude FSR3 in Dying Light 2 with LukeFZ is mindblowing. FSR3, the way it is right now, in every game, would be more than enough.

[TheIndulgers]

I do wish FSR was better. But that $200 difference is no joke.

For features like RT in there current state I don’t care for whatsoever. RT just looks worse and I don’t see how people can justify it. Smeary and blurry mess, not to mention the performance hit.

[rellikai]

If FSR's functionality remains as is for older gen cards/non AMD cards, but then 7000 series and any future cards have AI upscaling enabled, I really don't see the issue.

Yes, FSR is kinda doodoo, but if you're using an AMD or even nvidia gpu from 5 years ago and you have the option to be able to use it and get a bit more life out of your tech before absolutely NEEDING to upgrade, I think that's a pretty sweet deal. Even if the quality isn't AS good as if it were DLSS, but it's not like nvidia is really giving you that option either.

[rohanchooramun]

I mean neither Intel nor Amd has an alternative to Nvidia's Ray Reconstruction either.
They really need to work on this to compete.

[xbadbeef]

It is not palatable for anyone who recently bought an expensive GPU to be motivated to replace it with something with tensor cores or equivalent. One thing I learned about tensor cores is it uses less power than GPU cores because they are FP8 unlike a GPU which are FP32. That means physically they occupy a very small percentage on a GPU chip. The solution is to sell a separate card that is for AI.

[creativename]

Both companies have equivalent GPUs. The problem always has been the software and drivers

[banzaiman]

My Guess is this will be for 7000 series and above.

[systemBuilder]

NVidia buyers are sometimes quite stupid! If you ask an NVidia buyer for $500 whether you'd want 25% more performance, or upscaling, I bet most NVidia buyers would say, "oh that's easy. Upscaling" when they don't realize that 25% more raw performance beats upscaling in image quality, every day of the week !!