The 'Gods' of Tower of God

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These big boys are waaay too mysterious. There's something going on here...but it's our job to figure out what!

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What if Shinsu is a kind of medium that both breathes life into Administrators and Shinhueh, while also acting as a medium for the Tower's will itself? What if the Tower is underwater on the Outside?? Share your thoughts and theories!

drbonehead
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I think that Headon and the other Administrators are disappointed in the lack of progress in climbing the tower since it's about 20, 000 years since the system was established. Jahad said his son would continue to the climb in his stead, but he has yet to take a Queen and actively sabotaged the Princess of Jahad system to prevent himself from having to marry, because he is still in love with Arlen.

leafdragoon
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Something that should be mentioned is that, the only person who killed a admin was Enryu. And he only entered becouse of Jahad, without jahad's shenenagins they would never have feared for their life but now it can happen, they can die.

anarbor
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dawg the world of tog is insane, there is so much to talk about with so much lore/history and it feels like we're not even halfway through the story.

vier
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The thing I love about TOG is the fact there’s almost no way to scale any of them accurately cause Lore wise they do some crazy stuff 😭

OmgJinnn
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I think the administrators feel they were wrong in letting Jahad become king of the tower. Even the God of the Guardians on the Hell train said Jahad changed. So they’re using Baam to “set the tower free” idk exactly what that means yet though

Hlbb
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I have the feeling that while administrators follow in general the tower's will they also have personal agentas as well. They have different personalities and made different decisions. For example why only the 100 floor admin offered an immortality contract to the family heads? The second floor admin might have made a rebellious move by helping Bam, but we shouldn't forget that he let Evankhell be a floor ruler beforehand and liked Bam the moment he met him. No other administrator did any apparent rebellious move other than him and perhaps Headon. So i have a hard time believing that the floor administrators have one unbreakable common will but rather they follow some general rules with each admin having their own personal touch to them according to their personality. Additionally the 135th floor admin was hostile to the family heads unlike previous admins. To me they feel like the family heads, while they have common roots they have different perspectives and it seems apparent especially now that Bam showed up.

Linktothepast
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I never really thought of the administrators in this way. This should really be more talked-about

LeMustard
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Hi Doc, great vid. I read this interesting POV on Guardians on a Reddit post once:
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7.3.1 Same goes for Admnistrators: they are pieces of software designed to keep the system flowing in their scope of the program (i.e. each floor). They are called administrators the same way your user session on your computer can be administrator, i.e. with full permissions. Administrators rarely intervene in the events of TOG because they're more background softwares of sorts, here to guarantee the integrity of the operating system (which is the Tower).

Also, the contracts between Administrators and the 12 Great Warriors is nothing more than the administrators granting special permissions to some users who entered the Tower. The reason why no tower inhabitant can hurt Zahard after his contracts, is because they are NPCs that cannot violate the rules established by administrators of the program (like how Kirito can't attack Kayaba in Sword Art Online) . This is why external, non-NPC, real flesh-and-bones human – a.k.a "irregulars" – are needed to kill Zahard. Irregulars, i.e. real humans, are not bound to the rules of the Tower (like Neo in Matrix), because they are not NPCs: for instance, they do not need contracts to use shinsoo.

I think the administrators being superusers is the reason why it seemed incredible that Enryu managed to kill an administrator: these guys are like the backbone of the tower, it seemed impossible that they would die. But Enryu being "the messenger of the God of the outside" (i.e. probably the messenger of an Axis), he could easily overpower the operating system and break it. Enryu acted like a sort of virus: it broke a critical part of the operating software, to the point that the 43rd floor of the Tower couldn't even regenerate itself, because the administrator is the software that is supposed to ensure the regeneration.

I also think the reason why Headon keeps letting irregulars enter the tower, despite Headon being supposed to be subservient to Zahard (although the authority relationship is not clear between Zahard and the administrators), is because Headon is a software optimized to allow the emergence of the one true God, and with Zahard having abandoned this goal (maybe he lacked the qualification in the first place? We'll find out later in the story!), Headon keeps letting new candidates in.
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MrTobi
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Tower of God is heavily inspired by the 2009 anime Tower of Druaga. If we see it in this context, it hints at the structure of the tower, on what is above the "last" floor and on why there are tests in the first place.

koenigsraster
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What if the purpose of the tower was to evolve everything that climbs to surpass godhood into something beyond like an AXIS and jahad stopped that and the tower is rebelling against it

unknownaxis
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i think that at the start Siu wanted to make a story that would end in "axis there, axis here, strongest axis, bam becomes one, fights them, wins"
but then he understood that it would've been pretty lame right?
there's a whole lot of lore outside the tower, so it's strange that it doesn't even appear in tower of god (for now).
Also, let's return on headon being a shark, in the tower the strongest shinheuh is the killer whale, that's where Adori's sobriquet comes from, Eurasia sobriquet is instead "great white shark".
Supposedly in the towers (and sometimes in real life too) orca's predate sharks, meaning they're somewhat stronger.
Wouldn't that imply that there's an administrator stronger than headon? (as he seems like the strongest)
maybe last floor administrator?
and returning to earlier, there are a lot of elements that we don't know much of in ToG that have connections with the outside, it seems like they will eventually have to be addressed in one way or another, that makes the story even more interesting.
I'm talking about the outside god, enryu (that will appear one day or another), Arlene and her whereabouts, workshop ecc.
they're too important to be left like they are right now.
Also, there has been a theory going around for ages right now, what if shinsoo, (divine water) is the power and "area of control" of an axis? you know how it's called DIVINE water right? wouldn't that make sense?

bear in minds that there are a lot of towers on ToG planet where the tower of god is located.
all these towers could just be "tests".
what if the only tower or one of the very few, to possess any type of power like shinsoo, is infact the tower of god? and maybe that's why Siu is showing it to us instead of the other towers.
there's a whole lot of lore from other stories of Siu, and sometimes it gets really REALLY close to the tower of god, like the main event of all of those stories combined, happening on "earth" the planet of the tower.
i know Siu said that he doesn't want to bring Axes into this story, but will he really not do it? i feel like he kinda has to now.

acquaminerale
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Also about the different positions, all of them have a name related to water or fish:

Fisherman - hunt fish

Spear bearer - spear fishing

Wave controller - controls waves/shinsu

Light bearer/Lighthouse keeper - lights the area making it easier to hunt, also lighthouse

Scout - finds and tails enemies

tannermeterko
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Great Topic Joe, sometimes me and my friends like to theorize that Headon is the true villain of the story and if he was that would be pretty awesome, I also believed he might be the strongest administrator (for now) cuz honesty even today we dont know what is true extentions are.

Remorsefulz
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I'd gotten a bit out of touch with TOG lately. This video reminded me, why I began loving it in the first place. The TOG world is a masterpiece to me!! Great Vid!

gatoreyd
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My issue with the Rebellion thought is: Why? They have no reason to, they can just take the reigns back whenever they want. Unless the goal is to more specifically set up some sort of new regime.

trooper
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I think the tower wants to remove jahad, or doesn't like what jahad has done. It chooses bam to defeat jahad or start progression of the tower and end jahad's reign. Headon and the adminstrators are supporting the tower's decision and choosing paths to help bam dethrone jahad.
My guess is the tower is resisting jahad, because king jahad mentioned near end of hidden floor, that he is starting to control fate & potentially go against the tower. That's the only thing I could would have changed for the tower to try and remove jahad before he interferes with tower's duty (whatever it is).

rhettguthrie
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‏‪13:40‬‏ for that I always asked myself why was the door that Bam opend on the floor? Was it because of his position or because the tower is underground (aka an ocean beneath) or is it in a completely different dimension. Urek said the outside is more vast but we don't know if there is one outside or multiple. Like Bam and Rachel came from outside but they don't have stars. They were in a place like tunnels but there are mountains? How? If it is a tower is it vertical or horizontal? Or is it like a planet with multiple layers and you start from the core until you reach the surface? A planet of water. Does Jahad and the others know what is the tower and how it is structured or are they oblivious like Bam and they started climbing it to explore it (Eduan said that Jahad is better as an adventurer than as a king) the water theme is very obvious to where I think SIU wanted to be a fisherman but didn't work out for him😅

Mitsuki_Yukito
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With the existence of Enryu, I have the feeling that, if the tower is extremely old, the concept of killing administrators would be more common from 135th floor and beyond... In fact, I expect that there would be some irregular/climber that have grown powerful enough to outright replace administrators...

bright_light
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You have no idea how much I adore your lore videos, missed them so much! They're amongst my favorite lore videos on youtube

mamadounjooi