‘LET’S GET REAL’: Pete Buttigieg Slaps Around Fox Host With Ease | The Kyle Kulinski Show

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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers — loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.

“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”

The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on YouTube. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.

“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”

But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news — the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.

It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.

“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”

With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on YouTube, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do — even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.

While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.

But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks — who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago — the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.

Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king — the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.

I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”

And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”

Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”

It’s probably for the best — the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all — class issues,” he said on a recent episode.

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I have a *swarm* of criticisms of Pete Buttigieg but I will give him this very sincere compliment. There are few people in the Democratic Party that are as well-suited to delivering a FOX News slapdown as him. Very on-message and cutting.

brycemcneil
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Pete is a master communicator.
He never yells to make his points just states facts with laser precision.

PurpleRain
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Pete has been killing it. When he goes on Fox News, he puts on a master class. I love it. He does it without even raising his voice. love love love it. GO PETE GO

learningtolovemyself
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Nah, you aren’t wrong. Pete is embarrassing right wingers and I’m here for it.

mikeh
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If media literacy was the only qualification for vp, Pete would honestly be a great pick

joec
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This is the gayest thing about Pete buttigeg. The ability to serve tea with reciepts and leave no crumbs. And on this front we will claim him.

AvisSapiens
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“Older and stranger” was a great line. It’s so fuckin true, and I’m sick of democrats not being willing to get a little mean with their verbiage.

AlmightyThagomizer
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Buttigieg would smoke Vance. I'd pay good money to watch that

itsandyagain
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Pete has always been good with the facts and comes off as grounded in reality. He never sounded like Obama to me but he does seem more aggressive now then he did last Presidential election cycle

tyroneswift
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Pete is saying the things I yell at my screen for other politicians to say. There are so many easy things to harp on, but no one ever seems to. Blows my mind.

ChazzyPhizzle
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It’s just nice to hear coherent arguments grounded in truth again lol.

cfromhell
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This was always Pete. Dude is always the smartest guy in the room. Right now sadly he's not electable because of existing bigotry, but the guy will never lose a debate.

Berniekid
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Does this Woman think, if she speaks the double Velocity, she sounds smart? Bravo Pete Buttigieg. You nailed it.

ThomasKissel-wp
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3 weeks ago, I literally said- If they change Biden now this late in the game- WE ARE SCREWED!... Damn was I I00% wrong!

gorillaump
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Buttigieg has got to be the most lucid, quickest thinker I've ever seen. With firm views and conviction under him He can calmly shred any opponent in any debate and just confound them. Now, a non-white mixed race woman and a gay man VP would make conservatives heads explode so I don't know if this combo can win, but his time is coming. If Harris wins she needs to find a top level position for him, and not Dept. of Transportation. She needs him in front of the camera more shredding naysayers like wet toilet paper.

jdotsalter
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Pete is a really good Democratic messenger

Chickpea-
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Omg Secretary Pete smoked Fox News like a boss

DarthKieduss
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Buttigieg’s intelligence is delicious. He is a master debater; brilliant at delivering concise and compelling arguments. It’s a rare talent and he has it in spades.

LaWordWarrior
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All Democrats are going on the counter-attack and I love it, even If their values aren't close to mine.

usn
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That was like watching a lion outmaneuver and take down a gazelle. He did great here.

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