JPEG is Dying - And that's a bad thing

JPEG XL faces fierce competition from AVIF. And Google. A bit of both

0:00 - What is JPEG?
1:20 - JPEG XL
2:07 - AVIF
3:08 - JPEG XL's Strengths
4:58 - AVIF Support
6:43 - I compress 90,000 images for science

[domramsey]

Please don't sit like that, I was sick on my keyboard

[blunderingfool]

The fact Chromium can bump off JPEG XL because of market share is just, horrible. We really need more than Firefox running on their own rendering engines.

[dontmindme]

I think Google perfectly highlighted why they have a dangerously powerful control over how the internet will be shaped when they removed the JPEG XL support. So many huge companies have been working hard to make this format more widely supported and yet they can simply just close the discussion and win.

During Interop 2024, a project for getting various web features well supported across browsers, JPEG XL won the popular vote by a huge margin. And yet, when the presented their picks for what to work on it was strangely missing. They claimed a lack of consensus. No wonder which party wasn't willing to budge…

[bonkmaykr]

Here's a fun fact! The progressive loading feature of JPEG XL is actually also seen in the older PNG standard. PNG is able to use a technique called two-dimensional interlacing, where each tile in the grid is filled in sync, instead of just drawing the entire image from top to bottom. If the browser supports it, it will be able to (poorly) interpolate the rest of the image until it fully loads. Pretty cool!

[azebramoomoo]

Here’s an idea: hopefully the ongoing antitrust suit against Google will scare them into supporting jpeg xl again out of fear of the lack of support looking anti competitive

[rednicstone]

Whats also important to note is that JPEG XL has specific encoding features for 'artifical' images, stuff like screenshots and what not. So where a typical lossy codec will mess up your screenshots JPEG XL will keep them clean and almost completely lossless. It even works for mixed data, so if you have a screenshot that contains natural images it will compress them using lossy image compression while keeping the rest lossless. Thats something that no other codec has at the moment, and I think this gives it the definite advantage over any other format.

[ShadowZero]

format wars 1980s: we are going to make the coolest tech possible so people want to buy it

modern format wars: "we have no plans to implement this feature"

[FlavorsomeMusic]

I didn't expect a man in spandex pants power sitting when I asked to know why jpeg is dying.

[habosos]

beginning of the video: ah ok, philip ist nerding about image compression again...
end of the video: to the weapons, we've gotta save jpegxl !!!

[WayStedYou]

JPEG XL seems to be the better option to me, loading pictures top down sends us back to the 90s with dial up downloading images.

[Yoshiyosh]

god thank you thank you thank you thank you for making this video. almost all images on my pc are jpeg x. its lossless compression is insane and its lossy compression on the same level, if not *better* for the same image quality with avif. getting this word out on a large audience is sorely needed

[Dave]

Well, as long as they don't make old JPEG pictures completely inaccessible and obsolete like they almost did with Flash, I think it will be OK.
The immense amount of trauma from losing access to all my favourite childhood games was only negated thanks in no small part to the legends that created all the Flash emulators that now exist.

[CodeF]

Rip JPEGXL
As a web developer, I would kill for progressive decode. I always spend hours implementing my own progressive decoding with thumbhash

[haggets_]

I've been following JPEG XL for a long long time, and i'm hoping that Apple's support for the format pressures Google into adding it for Chrome in the future

[seeingthings]

Dude, if your parents can even back up files to a hard drive, consider yourself lucky. Where I live, it's a constant stream of old people proudly proclaiming that they don't know how to use a computer--as if that's a flex. Old people who don't learn how to use a computer in a basic way aren't stupid, they're lazy.

[bigcorgi]

0:05 not true, hank Hill doesn't know what a jpeg is

[nanopone]

jpeg-xl supports hdr, alpha channel, and animation, all at the same time with either lossy or lossless compression. its a winner in my book

[DeathInTheSnow]

So a format designed by Google, heavily implemented by Google, promoted by Google, and without competition in Google's own suite because they chose not to support its opposition is getting ahead?

Hello? Monopoly Commission?

[pravaris]

I don't know why this was recommended to me, but this was informative and I'm all for the support of more image formats.

[Silikone]

Multiple tests have shown that JPEG XL outperforms AVIF when targeting high-quality photographs.
I worry that in order to justify AVIF's existence, everything will be hypercompressed and just degrade the general image quality of the web. The bandwidth saving is kind of moot when you need multiple megabytes of JavaScript just to open the front page of a modern website anyway.