Toyota says EV sales up amazing 302% - but the company is in trouble

Toyota says EV sales up amazing 302% - but the company is in trouble

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[safebatteries]

I've worked for a large Toyota dealer in Southern California, for 4 year now, this year is a very bad year for EV sales. We sell one EV for every 185 gas cars, and its getting worse each month. Gasoline cars are in big demand.

[hanswitvliet]

No no no.
Not 29 models, but 29 vehicles! 🤣

[kinghilton]

I have a Lexus rx400h hybrid.
It’s nearly 18yo.

I’ve had no issues and battery is still fine it’s done over 400, 000k and I’ve had it regularly service and still going strong.

It’s hard for me to hate Toyota as it’s been the most reliable car I’ve ever owned.

I do want to upgrade to a EV like a Tesla but my Lexus just won’t die.

Until that happens then I’ll update to an EV

[scottgardener]

Living in America, I can safely corroborate that hydrogen fuel cell is dead on arrival. There are a few charging stations for it in another state maybe a thousand km away (maybe 600 miles, as we would say here). By comparison, there are Tesla Superchargers everywhere, and EV chargers in our own garage. We don’t even have gas stations in our garage. It’s a format war that is already over.

[WingPoyLeong]

Toyota is trying to classify hybrid as an electric car which is not an EV at all.

[raoSENSEI]

Forgive them, dear Electric Viking.
They have no idea what they are saying or doing.

[markdev]

Looked at the BZ4 here in New Zealand, it wasn't not a good car compared to those in the price range, sales guy knew 0 about it and was uninterested in talking about it. For the the price it didn't even make muster compared to cheaper better options from MG, BYD and Tesla.

[RWBHere]

I wouldn't touch Toyota with a barge pole. End of story.

[faisaliqbal]

WOW such a symmetery, one electric car sale for every working day of month, while two cars sales for the first and last day of month, on sixth and seventh day of weeek Toyota sales rested.

[tjmozdzen]

Nice job showing Mark Kane's Graph from InsideEVs. Mark makes some of the nicest graphs. Good to use his material.

[callmebigpapa]

I love Toyota and currently own 2 and have owned another 5. That said they are going down the wrong path. I hope they get the ship back on course soon.

[garryellis]

The specs on the BZ4 are so far behind the competition, its hard to comprehend. 😢😢

[johnhy]

Previously owned Prius and Camry Hybrid. Unbelievable and incredibly bad. Can only go on electric powered only for few kilometres on less than 40km/hr on full battery charged because of the small battery installed

[johnfrancis]

It’s like French wine. In blind tastings they are plonk. But put a French label on it ……

[capnkirk]

If Toyota TRULY believed that EVs were not the future and "let the market decide", why is their PR USING STATISTICS to "lie" about how many they are selling?
If Americans TRULY believe that no one wants a "cheap Chinese EV", why the *100% tariff*
Just wondering ...

[raymondleury]

It's clear that it isn't the "A" team that designed the only EV Toyota sells in North America, the BZ4X. They had a recall because the wheels were falling off! Its arguably among the worst EVs on the road. The Mazda MX30 and the Leaf are the only vehicles that are worse.

[grantbuttenshaw]

Why? They are playing the marekt perfectly....is toyota loosing money on every car? Yes...just like every other manufacturer. Go all in on a loss making venture would be stupid..

[joewilder]

Used Lexus EVs are selling at bargain prices in CA. About $30k for one that is barely used.

[franklong]

From everything I have read, Toyota's EVs pretty much suck. Toyota's UI and software have always sucked, and yes, I have owned several Toyotas and driven several of their newest SUVs and cars. Toyota's EVs have abysmal range and outdated battery technology, and we don't know how long their batteries will last. Worse yet, their new Tundra has catastrophic flaws in the engine and transmission and Toyota is trying to put Band-Aids on the issues instead of doing the right thing and giving buyers a completely rebuilt engine/transmission without the problems. Their plug-in hybrids could have been their salvation, but for some indiscernible reason, Toyota refuses to make sufficient quantities to meet demand. Their RAV 4 plug-in hybrid has had rave reviews but you can't find one to buy., and if you do stumble on one, the dealers have marked it up ten or fifteen thousand dollars.

I used to be a Toyota only buyer, but that has radically changed. Amusingly, the RWD Tesla Model 3 with the LFP battery is turning out to be one of the most reliable, trouble-free cars on the road. It's the Toyota Tacoma of EVs and it is ranked as China's most reliable car, and China has the largest auto market in the world.

There have been rumors of Toyota developing a solid-state "wonder battery, " but there is little proof that this is actually a real product that will come to market in the next couple of years. Meanwhile, CATL has developed a real LFP battery that will provide EVs with over 600 miles of range; it will keep all of its capacity for 1000 charging cycles and lose very little after that; it will charge in 15 minutes and will function well in extreme hot and cold climates. This batter IS being mass-produced as I write this, and it appears that it is going to be a wrecking ball to the ICE vehicle industry. Tesla is partnering with CATL to build a manufacturing plant in America to build CATL's battery design - which shows you just how brilliant Elon Musk is. When vehicles like the Model Y get this battery, there will be huge numbers of new EV adopters because EVs are superior to ICE vehicles in almost every metric. Range, longevity and functionality in cold and hot temperatures have been the factors holding back EVs from taking over the auto industry and it appears that CATL has solved those problems. BTW, CATL's new battery uses LFP chemistry and it should last 15 - 20 years.

Toyota has always been a tech dinosaur but because its vehicles were reliable, people bought them. American car manufacturers have spent decades screwing their customers with bug-ridden cars and trucks and so Toyota STILL has the five bestselling cars in America today. That will change radically within the next two to three years unless Toyota's mythical solid-state battery becomes a reality. And even if it does, Toyota's tech and software suck, and they are proving that they will screw their customers just like American manufacturers.

Tesla appears to be trying to take Toyota's place as the most trusted vehicle manufacturer, and they are doing a pretty damn good job. I own a used 2022 Model 3, which I bought with 77, 000 miles on it. So far I have been stunned at how good it is. For example, I lost my key card, which is the way that you turn on the car if you don't have your phone linked to it. It is like a key fob on ICE vehicles but much more convenient to use. So, I could only use my phone to drive my Model 3, and I did not have the card as a backup. I set up a service appointment with Tesla and they sent a tech to my house and programmed two new cards for $53.00. I was stunned at how reasonably priced this service was. Toyota charges you something like $175.00 for a single key fob.

Another example is that unless you put an aftermarket screen on your Model 3 air intake to the radiator (yes, it has two radiators that are used to cool the batteries), debris and bugs build up on it and it is difficult to get to the two radiators to clean them. I spoke to a Tesla tech at a Tesla service center about the issue and asked what it would cost to clean the radiator. He told me that Tesla will REPLACE the radiator with a new on for $550.00, which is amazing. It's a LOT of work to replace these radiators and to replace them for $550.00 with a brand new one is an amazing deal. Toyota would easily charge more than twice that amount to replace one of their radiators. You can also clean the radiators yourself, but you have to remove the front bumper and pressure wash them. So if you are willing to spend 5-6 hours of your time, you can service the radiators yourself.

Toyota is slowly committing suicide in real-time right in front of our eyes. I am thinking of shorting the stock because of this. And all of this destruction Toyota has brought on itself because of its arrogance.

[costiqueR]

As all other legacy autos, they mislead people with their hybrids. Toyota has a problem, and that one will get them down...