FIRST TIME WATCHING *DUNE* (and I'm hooked)

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Original Movie: Dune (2021)

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[calebhammack]

Dont know if you knew, but Dune actually inspired Star Wars, thats why they are so similar!

[Ozai]

Jessica was (is) Leto's concubine. He's not married for the hopes of a Political marriage, but they do still love each other. The Emperor feared House Atredies rising power (In both fighting force and political influence) and therefore worked with their generational enemies the Harkonnen to take them down. And you nailed the Greek implications. Paul is a direct descendent of Agamemnon (From the Illiad)

[maximiliandort]

The implications of the Barons pet are SO messed up. Dune is a fully human story, in a fully human universe. There are no aliens. It's entirely possible that this "thing" is what the Harkonnens made the doctors wife into. Mutated on a molecular level. Theres a line in the movie about them "plucking people apart like dolls"

[williamblakehall]

Fun fact: when it says Year 10191, that's according to a far future calendar. According to the Dune Encyclopedia, that starts around 16, 200 AD, making this closer to 26, 391 AD.

[blitz]

My favorite thing about the visions with Jamis is that they set you up to think that Jamis will literally teach Paul the ways of the desert. Paul killing Jamis is the lesson. Jamis taught him the ways of the desert.

I was a friend of Jamis.

[dizzlebizzle]

You're one of the few people whose reactions I watched that didn't call Duncan finding them in the desert "convenient" because you're the only one who noticed they had a beacon in the tent.

[drakeredwingofficial]

Fun fact: the original author of the book, Frank Herbert, was inspired by the sand dunes in Florence, Oregon.

Also, I got to see this movie in theaters and holy hell was the bass loud. Paul doing The Voice and the various chants and whatnot literally shook my seat

[JarinUdom]

One of the big things to know about the “prophecy” is that the Bene Gesserit planted all of these legends and prophecies across tons of worlds so that if a Bene Gesserit was ever in trouble they could play into the legends and use them to their advantage.

[Thoreaux]

I love the Gom Jabbar test. At the end she calls him a human, because the test is meant to determine if a person is a human or an animal. Animals obey their instinct, like the instinct which tells you to pull your hand away from pain. Humans use their judgment, like the judgment which tells you that, in that situation, to avoid pain means death, while enduring it is the only thing you can do to live.

It's like a really simple yet revealing test, isn't it? "Can your judgment overpower your most urgent instincts?"

[ChefSandwichboy]

So, fun fact for a rewatch to help make things make more sense: Paul has 2 types of visions. Ones that are possible futures, and ones that WILL happen. The visions that are all hazy, out of focus, lens flare covering most of the frame, those are possible futures. The visions that are clear, in focus, unobscured...those are inescapable.

[dansmart]

The visions he sees aren't of the future that is necessarily going to happen, but one of the possible futures. This is how the spice allows space travel. They plot charts by seeing possible futures based on what route they take. So when he saw becoming friends with Jamis it was a future where they become friends, but the combat would happen eventually and Paul would not be able to bring himself to kill Jamis.

[XShrike]

23:05 The slow blade penetrates the shield because the shields have to let air in. The shields are set to stop anything moving faster than the flow of air required to let the user breathe. So gas attacks can make it past the shields.

On a side note about the shields, a reason they do not generally use lasers is that if a laser hits a shield, both the laser and the shield will go nuclear.

[abrarabeer]

“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
- Frank Herbert, Dune. Frank Herbert's Dune can actually be used as a way of life. Some of the best lines in literature.

[corynydam]

One of the things I love most about the Dune universe is how all the cultures are blended together. It’s been so long and humanity has mixed so much that you have a house with a Greek name, a Spanish bullfighting tradition, Celtic and Danish style artwork, and bagpipes for their herald music.

[nathancollins]

"Are these vaguely Greek names?"
Yes. House Atreides traces its lineage back to Agamemnon, king of the Mycenean Greeks and aggressor of the Trojan War. Also, the year 10191 is a bit misleading. That's actually 10191 AG, "After Guild", or after the foundation of the Spacing Guild which provides all interstellar travel in the galaxy in the absence of AI. We have no idea how far into the future it really is (and no, I don't consider Brian Herbert's fanfiction canon.)

[Dhaem]

The politics, if I remember correctly:

House Atreides is related to the Imperial House (House Corrino). The Atreides are really well liked among the noble houses and the emperor is jealous/fears usurpation.

The emperor plots with House Harkonnen to take Arrakis/Dune from them and give it to the Atreides.

It's a poisonous gift. This takes the Atreides out of a position of strength in Caladan and makes them vulnerable in a new world they don't fully control.

The Harkonnen and the Atreides are in a feud between the families. If they come into conflict no other noble house can intervene. The Harkonnen use this feud as justification to attack and kill the Atreides and take back Arrakis/Dune.

The emperor supports the Harkonnen with his imperial troops, the Sardaukar. This is done in absolute secret. If the other noble houses were to learn about it they would unite together against the Harkonnen and the Imperial House (House Corrino).

This way, the Emperor takes out the Atreides without a full-on galactic war, with the purge disguised as a feud between two Houses.

[swagpotato]

Dune isn't meant to remind you of Star Wars. Star Wars is meant to remind you of Dune! It's the granddaddy of sci-fi. 

Thanks for the reaction! Dune is an awesome story to experience, I'm glad Dennis did it justice.

[mdchiesi]

"He's gonna lose his only friend!" It's amazing to me how this insight is so critical to the series of books ...

[zachgaskins]

Basic things to roll around in your head:
1) "The Emperor is a dangerous, jealous man." He's nervous that Duke Leto is becoming too popular among the great houses and could weaken his control over the Imperium, but he can't just kill him because that would result in chaos. So he secretly helps the Atreides' long-time rivals, House Harkonnen, to take them out by providing his own armies, so it looks like just another slapfight between houses.
2) The Lisan-al-Gaib is a prophecy that was actually started by Bene Gesserit missionaries centuries ago ("A path has been laid for you", "They see the signs", etc) as part of a contingency so that if a sister ever found themselves stranded on this planet (or others), they could use that prophecy to perform miracles and keep themselves from being bothered by the locals. Something of a criticism of blind faith and abusing spirituality but also a realistic observation of how one man's magician is another man's miracle-worker.
3) However, Paul is also the latest in attempts by the BG's to create this super being, whiiiich is actually a reference to a phenomenon in the Torah/Talmud, the _kefitzat haderech_ or "shortening of the way". Jewish teleportation, in essence. In Dune it's more of a generalized super-being idea, that this individual will be more powerful than any BG sister could, and they'll be able to wield this person for their own political benefit (as if they're not already scheming everywhere - there'll be an HBO Max series about them coming soon!). They may say they have the good of all humanity in mind, but does that ever turn out to be accurate?
4) So, what happens if you abuse local religious belief by pretending to be a messiah, but then you actually have the training and genetic planning and wondrous spice drug to pull it off? Sounds like a recipe for greatness or great awfulness. Herbert quote: "Power does not corrupt, but it attracts the corruptible". We've seen throughout history (ancient and recent) how placing faith in singular personalities can cause people to commit terrible acts, believing themselves righteous. Paul is scared of what the future holds, and is being done in his name.

And that's why you can probably compare Paul's story to that of Michael Corleone from The Godfather; a reluctant heir to a family dynasty who is forced to make moves to save those he loves, but it may cause more problems than it solves.

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The Dune books have always been notoriously difficult to make and put onto film, but i think they did an excellent job with this movie.
Denis Villeneuve is one of the greatest living directors and this is proof of just how good he is. Turning an almost impossible project into fruition.