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[Prince_the_One]

Saruman wasn't just a servant of Sauron, he was actively planning to betray him and take the Ring for himself.

[andrewriker]

Book Denethor and Movie Denethor gave their audiences very different feelings. Most people I know who only watched the movies thought he was borderline evil. The books makes him out to be a man who fought a mental battle that he believed he could not win, but did so because he saw it as his duty as steward. The most evil thing about him in the end is his animosity for the true heir for Ilsildur. I don’t think he was ever evil, just broken like many others in middle earth during the war of the ring. Great Video, keep up the good work.

[MrAntAve]

When Boromir told Elrond and his fellows that his father kept the forces of evil at bay all this time, he wasn't talking sh*t either 💪🏻

[pericajuric]

He didn't peek into palantir for decades. He restrained himself most of his life. But with Boromirs death he became increasingly desperate for any advantage in his hopeless fight. He knew the the toll and payed it

[TooRudeProductions]

that stick whack is the funniest thing in the entire movie

[BananaBlack]

Denethor used his palantir to see visions of the future. Unfortunately, he saw the army of Mordor as well as the Corsairs getting ready to siege Minas Tirith. This drove him to think there was no hope and drove him mad. Unknowongly to him, the army of Corsairs were actually destroyed by Aragorn and his army of the undead, but Denethor did not know they were already taken care of.

[JackbenG]

I always thought it was weird the way he ate that cherry tomato literally who 2 bites a cherry tomato

[jotave]

Damn he had more willpower than a Maiar. Respect to the hottest character 🫡.

[StillAwakeAwareDiscerning]

“Accidentally butt dialed Sauron….” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ArisatoMinato]

I honestly thought we were going to hear Seinfeld music instead of the Skyrim quest sound lol

[superslayerguy]

Denethor had one too many bad LSD trips

[Hazejazejr]

I love how much effort you put into these shorts. Enough to make me comment on YouTube for the 3rd time ever

[Po-kemon]

Saurman was planning on betraying Sauron. He wanted to find and use the one ring against Sauron.

[Leftyotism]

Denethor wasn't given enough credit for being able to withstand Saurons influence through the Palantir, but then he ultimately failed and didn't deserve such credit.

[eflippo]

I forgot about that. Denethor used a palette for decades after his wife died, right? How was he able to resist Sauron for so long?

[Makkaru]

Saruman never served Sauron nor bent to him at all in the books. The Gandalf locked in the Tower bit is explained ONLY in the Unfinished Tales Book: In [manuscript-C) The Black Riders arrived at the Gate of Isengard while Gandalf was still a prisoner in the tower. In this account, Saruman, in fear & despair, & perceiving the full horror of service to Mordor, resolved suddenly to yield to Gandalf, & to beg for his pardon & help. Temporizing at the Gate, he admitted that he had Gandalf within, & said that he would go & try to discover what he knew; if that were unavailing, he would deliver Gandalf up to them. Then Saruman hastened to the summit of Orthanc — & found Gandalf gone. Away south against the setting moon he saw a great Eagle flying towards Edoras.


See, the thing is he was always master of studying the enemy & even being able to think like they do to always know exactly the best ways to handle ever situation and so on, but the thing is he didn't just become the enemy, he at this time in a sense for once actually grew afraid of him, probably Sauron did what Sauron did with Finrod Felagund in the duel of visions, (Galadriel’s elder brother who by the way was the most important in the Legendarium & is the main reason the third age even exists) which basically widdled Saruman with various visions of the past and future until it wore him down, but Saruman(Curumo) was the mostly already becoming weary due to what was called The Long Defeat, magic bleeding out from the lands of middle earth and subsequently certain things become less and less possible and the elves begin to go west.


Even the ones who never wished to leave middle earth and many of which were born here by the thousands.

So him also being a student and helper of Aulë of the Valar he was going to fight fire with fire and make a bid for the ring just so Sauron could never regain full power and if Saruman found a way to release himself from his power restrictions even by any small margin or worked with Eru in some way it might have worked out in the end if things went differently enough to where such action from him would be needed.


Ontop of that he was growing ever jealous of Gandalf for he received the Varya from Círdan and prior to that was chosen by the other Valar, Nienna’s chosen champion to go to middle earth. But Gandalf(Olórin back then) refused over and over and exclaimed his fear of Sauron(Mairon), varya I feel would have kindle the heart of Saruman to stay strong as he had been fighting the evils of the world for a very long time since he had been sent to Middle Earth.

And for the is reason Saruman wished to hold the ring at hostage. Keep Sauron from taking back his full strength and basically use it to stave off The Long Defeat.


Saruman is very complex. The Hobbit movies actually shows how he was even 60 years ago during Bilbo’s story. He was one of the main forces thwarting Sauron for over 2000 years. The Númenoreans: the high men of the west; gifted Saruman with Orthanc which was of their making. Now known as Isengard.


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saruman is actually trying to doublecross sauron. He wants the ring for himself. He thinks he can control it. The little orcs around saruman are from mordor - sauron's orcs sent to help saruman but also to spy on him. The big fighting orcs - the uruk hai - are loyal only to saruman.


Orcs are like that. But its why saruman's orders are a bit vague - to avoid sauron's orcs knowing what saruman is doing. The movies dont make this bit of the story very clear. But notice that, while saruman knows where the fellowship is he never lets Sauron Know.

[Skyblade]

Sauron had control of the Palantir, and while its power was beyond his, and he could not force it to lie, he could use it to hide things. He showed the armies descending upon Gondor, and hid all Denethor's allies. His final snapping point was when he saw the black ships of Umbrar sailing up to claim Gondor from the sea, as Sauron had hidden that they had been claimed by Aragorn and the Dunedain and were coming to bring relief, not harm.

[Makkaru]

⁠Denethor actually never once fell to the palantir which was never evil and was made by Fëanor. Meaning; it even deceived Sauron many times. One being making him think pippin had the ring when he didn’t and forced Sauron to show his hand too early. Giving middle earth the chance of victory soon after.

[Hanzo]

Love your vids man, it got me into rewatching all lotr recently and planning to read the books and silmarillion too xD you make great short vids❤

[muhammadbilalkhan]

He turned away in the start and with that music sounds like he was going on a quest