Metamodern Christianity? Or Christ as Cosmogram

[bclukay]

Matt, you are so incredibly inspiring mostly because you hold a very grounded, honest approach which many guests because of excitement dont feel as it they get in the true flow of the wonder, beauty and tragic that you are willing to bear. I was a grad school person at Duquesne in philosophy . :You hold the greatest sense of path flow that I have ever felt an alignment with. Thank you

[JoshHogins]

What a great phrase! "Christ as Cosmogram" of which many spiritual and religious figures at moments in time both great and small could be a part! It reminds me of the many Bodhisattva's who can teach us of this Cosmogram.

[carbon]

Also curious as to whether you've had the chance to talk to Jason Reza Jorjani? I think you guys could have some really interesting conversations on the big picture of consciousness in the universe.

[heathergeyer]

The importance of the Christ healing the body-spirit duality was so inspirational. I hear things when I dream and with the help of those who were awake as I dreamed, I know better what was real in what I heard in the dream. Christ was real but we dream him too…

[Archeidos-Arcana]

I can't help but feel that we need something like a "meta-religious framework" -- and one that inverts the logic/language of secularism against itself (or something along that line). It seems like we're becoming deeply disconnected from something I struggle to encapsulate with a word.

Despite the many differences of our religious traditions -- I can't help but feel like humanity is overdue for a dialectical synthesis between them. At the heart of virtually all of them, there seems to be the same precious gem. It's as though they are vessels charting increasingly chaotic waters, and they are destined to unite; lest they all sink. I don't know what else can happen in this global age (given we desire prosperity).

[mattspintosmith]

I'm writing an article on the metamodern for probably the August issue, of The Inquirer, the Unitarian paper in Britain.

[ejmarshall]

I highly recommend the podcast The Light in Everything from two priests from the Christian Community for Religious Renewal

[tinfoilhatscholar]

"The patient", is the human. Complex life is the healer. Sometimes you have to reverse your thinking to see the solutions.

[sudabdjadjgasdajdk]

I recently just moved to Oakland too. Synchronicity haha

[Formscapes]

I feel like there's a very serious danger in the language being used here, frankly. "God image", "idea of God", etc.

Now I should say in advance that I'm not advocating for some kind of absolutism which attempts to discredit or disregard other religious traditions, and in fact I very much advocate for a syncretic attitude with regards to religious Plurality.

Nonetheless, I feel that there is a danger here in using that sort of language in order to adopt a more relativized frame, even if there is an implicit understanding that a universality underlies the pluralities in question.

The danger is in the implicit suggestion, intentional or otherwise, that Christianity is just one religion among others - or, conversely, that Buddhism is just one religion among others, etc; but with Christianity in particular I feel that the danger is particularly acute

Christianity is particularly unique, I believe, in the manner in which it has **destined** human consciousness forward through the past two thousand years. It is almost as though there are central tensions or even absurdities within Christianity which serve as a sort of engine which is compelling history forward in a way that nothing else ever has.

There is a very real and almost unfathomably immense power within Christianity as a spiritual impulse which transcends the creeds and doctrines which we denote with the word "Christian".

The meaning and ultimate purpose of that underlying impulse is of course something I can't even begin to summarize in a YT comment, but I think I can say this much; the entire world is becoming Christified, not because people are converting to a creed which carries the label "Christian" but because the inner destiny of Christianity is coming to envelop the whole of humanity in its scope.

Christianity is not a creed or doctrine, let alone an image or an idea. It is a riddle and an - as yet - uncompleted promise of something scarcely comprehensible.

[geoffreydawson]

Bill Evans, Blue in Green. The best ritual I ever invented was to sit and listen to intuitive jazz for as long as it took me to drink an expensive glass of red wine from my local jazz lounge. For all the other religions it takes you a lifetime to understand their ritual structure and master their insanity. I could add that to the ten fetters. But a, I drink and b. I already have an understanding of rights and rituals through anthropology. I, for multiple reasons, never graduated through a right of passage. I just wanted to learn at university but soon realised it was all a money-making joke. I have the degrees but no pride.

[JoshHogins]

It was occurring to me listening to this that implicit here is that the value vector of spiritual and religious impulses "ought" hopefully to involve the Good. The Cosmic Good as is co-created with every actual entity tapping in to it. I think it is important to having the inner strength to carry forth this value vector that we come to know cosmic purpose beyond the human, yet of which we are intimately and importantly a part of. We and God co-create eachother which is pretty awesome to be in that kind of intimate relationship. Certainly spiritual practices which water this seed are worth doing! Just like how scientific practice is not value neutral in that it seeks knowledge of the reality of the physical workings of the Universe, spiritual practice also seeks truths and experiences associated with those habits of nature correlating with the cosmic spiritual reality. Of course it is really just all part of the same cosmos.

[jared]

There's a sociohistorical context behind all cultural wisdom traditions. Making sense of reality is something they all share in common.

I'm concerned about christianity because of its roots in liberation theology. Liberation theology brought the hebrews out of egypt. It brought the christians out of rome. It brought the Rastas out of colonized jamaica. It was an inspiration in central and south america during the cold war.

I'm not sure if this liberation ideal is satisfying the ultimate claim or if the narrative is actually reproducing itself. Is there an inherent slave/master process going on? To what extent is it needed? Does christianity propose a solution? Has it done so, or, how can it do so in the future?

[Michael-ntme]

...a reading throughout our personal uniquenesses of ...bias, sway, and whim...., including the popularizations of our ...propaganda, philosophy and panentheos.... without an integrally greater care for ...sense, science, and salience.... coming forth and going forward, eventually runs amock and afoul in time....

🙏🏼

[jameskaplin]

John 14:26 But the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you.

[carbon]

10:18 - Is that the book where Steiner talks about the seven planetary rounds starting with old Saturn and ending in Vulcan? I read that ten years ago when I was trying to learn more about Rosicrucianism and I think that's where my taste for huge cosmologies started to dip (particularly his accounting of earth seemed land-locked in misconceptions from the Victorian period). Steiner clearly did a lot for education and was a Renaissance man in a lot of ways but Anthroposophy's one of those where the only ways I can test their claims is how well the claims hold up against the world as we know it, and if he'd nailed these things bang-on we'd be in a completely different place. What I do sometimes wonder about is whether the cosmos stores prior human beliefs, such that a person could actually have contact with something transpersonal that serves them up wild images of Atlantis and Lemuria which aren't their own, which they confuse for revelation but as it turns out our fictional stories get stored there as well.

[jamescastro]

Well said. As in depth of translation. It takes some 6 feet to fathom the concept of God or to conceive of god we would need 12 feet by the apostle's. The pressure is building as these God's are being (tri)ed due to the one ate depth of see. Four you to fathom all would be twenty four feet yet 2 4 feet is eight feet if you give it space. Is it gravity that holds these words together or pressure?

[Barklord]

My godmother is a white supremacist, but in a very humble, protestant way that elevates her status even more than most others. I wish I was exaggerating.