The 5 WORST 40k Refreshes and the 5 BEST!

In this video Jay goes through his favorite Warhammer 40k Model refreshes and 5 that missed the mark! We have new videos every Monday, Wednesday and Friday! We're streaming Monday-Saturday starting at 9PM CST!! JOIN USSSS! Thanks for watching!

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[aaronbrown]

I don't understand why they bothered with Primaris being a separate thing. Just release them (and the new units) as regular Space Marines. With so much size creep over the years, it's totally do able. "oh yah they're bigger now <somethingsometing> we can now sculpt them how we've always wanted them <somethingsomething> new plastics/sculpting tools." Boom. Done.

[Dreamcleaver]

I love the new primaris marines but hate the floaty primaris tanks and transports. Hovercrafts suit the Eldar and Tau, not the SM. Rhinos and Land Raiders are way too iconic to be swept aside. Also lore-wise shouldn't Orks start to become larger in size and smarter? They're genetically coded to adapt to threat levels.

[omarsullivan]

The 2010 Dark Eldar range reset is imo the best line of models they've ever released. Worst? For me I'd have to go with the old metal demon prince vs the new one. It used to be so much more armored and terrifying, now it just looks watered down.

[tristanlee]

The only thing that could be improved on the Rubric marines is giving the leader the option of that pharaoh style head dress that the old upgrade kit came with. I feel like I must be the only person that likes when GW includes transparent elements in their kits; one of my favourite projects ever was painting an Eldar Fire Prism, messing with the transparent parts was so much fun. Honestly completely agree with the take on the Primaris marines, they really are both the best and the worst upgrade of an existing model, that's why I've heavily kitbashed and converted my Blood Angels taking the best elements of both the Primaris and Firstborn kits.

[alexisdetocqueville]

Idk I think the Patriarch is great. He communicates through the hivemind so doesn't need to "speak" in the way we understand. Since they are under the sway of the hivemind, when they give birth to Purestrains or Acolytes that look completely mutated and nothing like the parents, they see them as beautiful. Naturally the Patriarch is seen as the most beautiful and awe inspiring of the entire cult. The point is that normal humans cannot understand what the cultists see in mutant xenos that is worthy to be worshipped.

[Pyre]

I love how you put Be'lakor into the thumbnail of all of these kinds of videos and then never actually talk about Be'lakor.

[bewarethepatientman]

Underrated glow-down is definitely tzeentch horrors. The old metal ones were properly terrifying, the new ones look like they just say “ooga booga”

[bluespart]

I always thought Primaris shouldn't have been presented as the "New and Better" alternative. Instead of having Guilliman come out of stasis to find whole chapters of them with the whole thing being a rather successful endeavor, it should have been a handful (by 40k standards) of viable Primaris marines with an hard to reproduce process compared to standard marines. Have them scattered across all existing chapters as specialists with their shiny new toys.
No intercessors and the other 10 man squads, no grav vehicles and dumb "Primaris can't ride this vehicle" rules, no primarisified existing characters. Only the specialized 3 man squads and new characters. Integrate them into the range, instead of making them replacements.

[gideonsmit]

I like the carnifex glow up, from weird screamer killers to thw big metal beetles to the cool new design. I am a bit biased though because i really like the new carnifexes so much i want a whole army of just them :P

[mycatistypingthis]

About slightly different variants of the same model, isn't that just all Space Marines? They are about on par with Fyreslayers for variety.

[Choppytehbear]

"There aren't enough big weird fat guys in 40k."
Dude, there is an entire faction of them.

[XYZdude]

The genestealer patriarch should be somewhere between the old and new model. Mostly the new model on a throne and in a pose that shows intelligence. A savage beast acting like a cunning and wise leader would be rad

[frthlvfchrt]

I only just noticed that all of the Howling Banshees have tactical rocks.

[cassetticons]

Chaos Obliterators are a refresh I'm torn on. I like their new size and design, but the weapons look like they've been welded onto them. The old models look like the guns are ripping out if them, which is what they're meant to be.

[ZombieMonkey]

Speaking of wanting weird big fat guys in Warhammer, check out Glutos Orscollion Lord of Gluttony from the Hedonites of Slaanesh range in AoS. Now that would be a painting project I’d love to see done.

[nxranger]

I'll be honest, I was not a fan of Primaris when I heard about them but building my Space Marine Battleforce over the past 2 weeks has made me do a 180. The models are so fun to build and I can definitely see why they are recommended to new players. Building the Heavy Intercessors has made me want to collect as much Gravis armored models as I can, especially since I am playing a homebrew Salamanders/Iron Warriors successor. Now my only issue with Primaris is the lack of weapon customization in the units themselves. Having a bunch of different bolter options is cool, but I miss all of the sergeant options along with special/heavy weapons for the rest of the squad. What makes Tactical Squads cool to me is that each squad can be so varied and have "hidden" threats. From a distance they can look like a "normal" squad, but Sergeant Kharden's combi-melta and Brother Nelius's meltagun can do some real work against armor if needed.

[Remixersoloman]

My only issues with primaris are that they're too different from regular marines. I really like classic SM and largely read about first born when I was first starting since I started with grey knights, it was kinda lame to find out my guys were taking the bacak seat for some new version with less ridiculous drip. I also don't like all the new vehicles and tech (I hate aggressors, why replace terminators with these goofy big hand fellas). Like I thought the point of sms was that they're so badass, etc that they don't even need it. Horrifying Eldar hover tanks and psychic shenanigans? Load the boys up in the gun box with treads from ww1. Now it's all hovertanks and shit. I prefer the older helmets as well.

I dont mean to seem whiny, primaris are fine in their own way, I just don't see why they needed to shoe horn them into the lore and redesign and bloat the range when refresh like they've done in the past would be perfectly fine, and less messy lore wise.

[BrendanPace]

One thing I want to say in defense of the ATVs is that after seeing a conversion with a roll cage I realized that's all it needs to look right

[thekraden]

I personally really like the Patriarch. I do feel like it is more animal than man, and no I don't think it speaks verbally, and I think that's for the best. I imagine its communications are all telepathic or through the magus. And to me, the animal likeness ties it back to the tyranids and also reinforces the true nature behind the cult.

[christopherschwab]

We don't always agree, Jay, but it warms my heart to see you call out the Patriarch in need of a new throne.