Was the Gloam-Eyed Queen Revealed in Shadow of the Erdtree? | Elden Ring Lore

Even though we didn't get official confirmation about the Gloam-Eyed Queen, the Elden Ring DLC still gave us plenty of new clues about her identity. That includes new lore from Messmer and even the Putrescent Knight, which is labelled in the internal game files as "GloamEyedKnight."

In this video, I offer two theories for why Melina has that gloam eye in the Flame of Frenzy ending. I also make the case for why Messmer and Melina were most likely twins, why the congealed putrescence is related to the silver tears and the Godskins, and why the Gloam-Eyed Queen was chosen by the Three Fingers to oppose Marika.

So, who was the Gloam-Eyed Queen? Even though she's only mentioned in four item descriptions, the Gloam-Eyed Queen is one of the most impactful characters in Elden Ring. The Gloam-Eyed Queen led the Godskins and wielded black flame, which once had the power to slay gods. But the Gloam-Eyed Queen and her Godskins were ultimately defeated by Maliketh, who sealed away the true power of the black flame when he sealed away Destined Death, also known as the Rune of Death. The Gloam-Eyed Queen was also rumored to be an Empyrean, chosen by the Fingers, a rare status that would put her on par with Marika, Miquella, Malenia, and Ranni.

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00:00 Recap about the Gloam-Eyed Queen
02:22 Was Melina Messmer's Twin Sister?
05:03 Godwyn & Godefroy
05:25 The “GloamEyedKnight” & St. Trina
07:02 Another Explanation for Melina’s Eye
10:07 The Three Fingers Chose the Gloam-Eyed Queen

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[orom]

i think theres a huge detail we've missed on the eyes and the irises-- namely that whenever we see an iris of grace removed(i think only messmer does this), we see it was in his right eye, underneath which is the snake, however, whenever we see death or GEQ relared eyes, its a seal over the *left* eye, and additionally, those giant skeletons only shoot the ghostflame from their left eyes as well. It may be notable that the fell god imbies what appears to be a single, cyclopian eye, as to neither be left nor right eye born. There's definitely something here, but I cant quite wrap around it. Perhaps this has to do with how madness inhabits both eyes, before destroying them both.

[Samster-rvuj]

Oh i came to a realization. The eyes of emperyeans are tied directly to the current order. When melinas eye on the left goes grey, the current order has burned away. And miquelas eye described as full of grace' by ansbach needed to be removed for him to make a new order.

[vanjaarsic]

The way she says at the end of the Frenzied Flame "To deliver what is yours... Destined Death" pretty much confirms for me that she is Gloam Eyed Queen.

[wjr]

Realistically if they were twins then the statue would be holding two children. Messmer being her 'favorite' is kind of weak especially if they were still infants.
Otherwise I like the idea of Marikas oldest daughter having a goth phase and being sent away for therapy.

[Billyboy]

With them being twins, Messmer sealed eye is his right eye, and Melina's is her left eye.

I agree with the twin theory

And you could speculate that Messmer's flame represents a "life" principal and Melina's is a "death" principal

[GilbertVonArphostein]

While Vaati is taking his sweet time, I've got only you to feed my hunger for lore videos.

[tristanneal]

I genuinely do not think they would refer to her as his younger sister in the Messmer's Kindling description if they were twins. FromSoft is not getting technical on "he was born 3 minutes before her!!'

[nhlcbj]

The 18 inches of Messmer thing is the best marketing accident since the dune popcorn bucket

[wjr]

I always thought that the finger slayer blade is actually the corpse of the GEQ which was used to wound Metyr. Maybe the three fingers were born because of this and this is why Melina is so averse to the frenzied flame?

[aweshetdima]

There's a pretty significant pattern I'm seeing in Elden Ring.


All of the confirmed enemies of the Erdtree are somehow connected to fire, but in different hues/orders.

The Giants have their Fell fire, the Blasphemous Serpent have magma or solid flame, the Three Fingers have the Frenzied Flame, and the Gloam Eyed Queen has the Godslaying Black Flame. Even Destined Death has flame, but is noticeably kept away from the Lands Between.


My idea is that both Messmer and Melina, both who envisioned fire, were the progeny of Marika and an enemy of the Erdtree, specifically that of flames. It makes sense due to y'know....trees being made of wood.

Although the popular theory is that the GEQ is the mother of both children of fire with Radagon being the father, my belief is that Marika is the mother and the father was a Serpent Empyrean born from the age of Dragons.

Where's the evidence? There is none, it's just pure speculation.


However, what's interesting is Messmer's inclusion of the Abyssal Serpent in his phase change. This particularly stuck out to me since his serpent is called the Base Serpent, not the Abyssal Serpent.

What's more, he mentions that the Abyssal Serpent was "shorn of Light." It's important because shorn is the past tense of shear, which mainly associated with synonyms of trim, shave, or more importantly, cut.


What I'm trying to say is that this entity, called the Abyssal Serpent, was perhaps a being connected to light or in this case, the Greater Will until someone came along and cut it out of them. And who do we see pulling out Golden Threads out of a cadaver?

Marika.


The point is, I don't think the GEQ was in the DLC Story Trailer. I believe that it was the Abyssal Serpent.
And I think that with the context and evidence we have on hand right now, we can say within reason that Melina is or was the Gloam Eyed Queen.

It's also my belief that initially, Marika sent two children to the lands of shadow: Messmer and Melina. At this point, there is NO evidence and is PURE SPECULATION from here.

Messmer was to eradicate the Hornsent and Melina was to kill their would-be gods. Hence why she was given rune of Destined Death.

But whereas Messmer stayed loyal to Marika even when he learned of her sin, Melina rebelled and went back to TLB to dethrone her mother and claim the Elden Ring as a true Empyrean chosen by the Fingers.

[chibieris]

also, another idea- from Ranni's quest, we learn each empyrean has their own set of fingers. maybe the Gloam-Eyed Queen's fingers became the frenzied Three Fingers?

[DJYungHoxha]

VERY IMPORTANT CORRECTION: Those Fire Giant heads aren't heads. They're effigies. They're not real. They're meant to instil fear into the Hornsent, because they apparently also had a couple of run-ins with the Fell God. I think the Furnace Golems are simply meant to be mechanical versions of the Fire Giants. They run on human sacrifice, which I'm almost 100% certain is how the Forge of the Giants - and really, the Flame of the Fell God in general - works. It's the flame to end an age, and to bring about a new one.

[KitsuneShapeShifter]

What is confirmed but not mentioned, but still obviously true, is that Radagon is Melina's father.

[icedogg]

The other I was exploring altus and the option to talk to Melina appeared. She said this:

In Marika's own words. Hear me, Demigods. My children beloved. Make of thyselves that which ye desire. Be it a Lord. Be it a God. But should ye fail to become aught at all, ye will be forsaken. Amounting only to sacrifices...

I think this supports the theory Melina is the gloam eyed queen. She ascended as a lord (queen) in defiance then but she failed. She was forgotten and left her as a potential sacrifice in case somebody needed kindling to burn the Erdtree

[timdiggity]

Love the idea of the GEQ being chosen by the three fingers! It is odd that it’s not specified. It’s also interesting that the Godskins are weak to sleep, which was used by Trina to quell the frenzied flame.

Perhaps one day I’ll concede that Melina is the GEQ. For now, I’m still delusional enough to keep believing she’s a snake. 🐍 Great stuff as always, Goldmask!

[alechartman]

really like the idea of melina having the gloom queen eye, it makes a lot more sense than her being the gloom eyed queen herself. i never really bought into that

[beansnrice]

Turned out that Messmer competed in the pole vault on the French team.

[hipsternesto]

Mesmer and Melina are the children of Radagon and the serpent Godess of the crucible who was betrayed and killed. Then Marika took them as their own children (well they are) but I guess Melina found out about the betrayal and became the Gloam Eyed queen and initiated a killing spree. So she has to be put down, removed from history and the death rune has to be locked.

[BensSpanishProject]

Yall ever wonder what happened to the eye that was plucked out of Messmer? It's the same side as Melina's golden un-sealed eye. Wonder if Marika made a 'daughter' from the discarded eyes of her (Melina's) 'sibling' and the Gloam Eyed Queen

[erin]

"How many fingers?" is what I ask myself when I can't tell whether I'm looking at genuine art or AI art