Joe Rogan - Equality and Equity Are NOT the Same Thing

[tonyg]

Equity means equality of outcome not equality of opportunity

[dylanzrim]

Right.
3 boxes.
3 people.

One can see over the fence just fine.
The middle only needs one box to see.
The third needs 2.

Equality has us give all 3 a box.
Equity gives it to those who need it most.

[BrokenEyes]

Explains that whole “you need to unlearn what you’ve been taught by men” BS I’ve seen some SJW’s say in some form or another in videos.

[adambrian]

***Equality should always trump equity.***

"Equity" sounds like "Equality", but they are very different. "Equality" is protected by the U.S. constitution, which means everyone is treated and protected equally under the law. "Equity" means equal outcome. It is social justice equity, from critical social justice theory, related to critical theory, critical race theory(for racial equity), and neo Marxism. It is the dichotomy of the oppressor and the oppressed, privileged and disadvantaged. The totem of victimhood, and intersectionality of victimhood.

***Social Justice Equity of critical social justice means redistribute resources from the those who have to those who don't have. It is a discrimination rooted in Marxism***
It means to strip the "unearned" wealth, advantage, and resources from the oppressor, and give it to the "deserved" oppressed. It usually practiced at identity group level. Equity practice treats different identity groups differently. It is problematic to hold one group back, while allow another group to proceed, in order to achieve equal outcome. In that case, equity is a discrimination. Could such discrimination serves a good purpose, like, to address the disparity of oppression?

***Social justice equity is self-conflicting, self-defeating, and creates more injustice***
The critical social justice theory tried to address historical, and current "perceived" oppression, but it is self-conflicting and self-defeating and create more layers of injustice for those who believe in critical social justice. A person simultaneously belongs to many identity groups. race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, country of origin, ethnicity, age, health, education, jobs, income, wealth, able-body, attractiveness, temperament, the list will go on and on. The society then calculate victim score along each identity dimension, add up and assign an aggregate victim score to each person to rank this person on the hierarchy of giant victim of totem in order to decide how much advantage the society should assign to this person, or take away from this person, in the name of social justice. But here is one problem: Even if you believe one identity group is "privileged", another is "unprivileged", how can you compare victimhood along different identity dimensions, like a able-bodied black person vs. handicapped white person? Who is more of a victim? The society may have to fudge the score along different identities. When the society considered all identity together, the errors in assessment along different identity dimension propogate and accumulate, and create a bogus victim score that is far far away from what it was planned to achieve.

There are many other problems:

* Social justice equity is usually practiced at group level. But the life experience of members within a group differ a lot. Many times, the variance within a group is larger than difference across groups. How can society calibrate the amount of redistribution?

* Does each identity dimension carry the same weight in victim score? e.g. race vs. gender? race vs. able-bodied. Do people agree on that?

* Who is qualified, and authorized to assign such victim score to people? Are we talking about creating a huge "equity" department of an authoritarian government? Do people agree on that?

* Corruption. The person in charge of equitable decision is in power, and becomes subjective biased, and even corruptive when trading favor with bribing. And it is not easy to expose the bias and corruption, since "equity" and "differential treatment" is expected under the equity framework. Add another layer of check and balance bureaucracy?

* Can group identity correctly summarized a person's life experience?

* How can society continue to monitor each person's victim score to reflect the changed life experience, e.g. become disabled, or get a high paid job, etc. What is the cost of that?

* Race and gender are usually quoted as a reason to provide equity. Does race and gender alone reflect full life experience of an individual with so many other identity groups the person is in? Why just race and gender?

***Ironically, in pursuit of ultimate "Social Justice Equity", the intersections of many group identities is reduced back to Individual. Equality wins over Equity***
When many group identities are considered, no two individual are alike. Ultimately, each person is reduced from intersection of identity groups to a individual. Even if creating a humongous, authoritarian government bureaucracy, it is still impossible to assign a correct, fair, "equitable" victim score to each individual in the society and keep it correct over time to justify the advantages assigned or taken away from this individual. More "equity" is the goal, but more layers of "injustice" is the results. Equity effort is self-defeating. There is no choice but to throw out equity, and adopt equality. The society should treat each individual equally.

***Social justice equity violates US constitutional law, the equal protection clause of 14th amendment, and the 1964 civil right law***

Equity, in the name of critical social justice, creates more confusions, injustices, divisions, and resentments.

Equality should always trump equity.

[oneandolnytoniy]

We need these two guys on more shows talking about this

[richardzellers]

All the military veterans KIA from previous wars are rolling in their graves because they died for this shit society we have now

[muddywaters]

I wish there were more discussions like this one around YT about 10 years ago. The world might have been a very different place now...

[davorianware]

The sociological definition is the same as the dictionary. Equity is what we should be focusing on because equity is about fairness not about trying to make things equal. Equality is hard because none of us are born or are raised in the same way. We are not created equally but if we created an equitable process then we can make up for where we were disadvantaged. I get the point of pseudo academia. But why do we only focus on the extreme sides? There is always, always a more moderate version of any philosophy or ideology.

[Temuldjin]

Equality: everyone getting a fair chance to become what ever they can in life. Also, no discrimination: Them getting there depend on their talents, commitment, hard work and a little bit of luck.

Equity: everyone getting the same amount of money no matter the career, hours worked, experience or level of education.

and example: Michael is hard surgeon, he spend 9 years learning his craft and another 10 perfecting it to become one of the very best heart surgeons in his field, Michael works 50 hours a week on average, something he even works 80 hours.

Jimmy is a high school drop out and he works part time on Tuesdays and Thursdays at the local grocery store, he works on average 6 hours a week.

Under Equity they are being paid the exact same thing, because the effort Michael put in his education and his passion for the job is null and void and the long hours is not compensated for, because the people wanted that everyone needs to earn the same amount of money even though they didn't do the actual work. (because people wanted equality of outcome) this is what Equity is.

[tashcrane]

Ok so is equity bad when people are physically disabled and need an extra helping hand to do something?
Or giving children in poorer communities free lunches?
Everyone has different needs. What’s so bad about equity?

[KatrinaAune]

25+ yrs later... Glad y'all could finally catch up... ⭐️😽💋

[tannercollins]

So these guys dont think black people are handicapped.

[Cammie]

What mathematics thing are they talking about?

[WWIE]

LOL...3 White men talking about equity vs. equality...come on bro.

[harunosmanovic]

Bunch of ingorents chatting come on guys ... "Equity is a finance word" lol... IT'S A SYNONYM!!!
Equity: the quality of being fair and impartial
Equity: value of shares
This picture best shows the difference... Why in the world Would you oppose equity...

[HexCypherr]

Equity is the discrimination against the previously privileged

[b.a.]

It seems weak to resent the rich. Go back in a rich families history and you will find someone who did what they had to do to secure their families future. That's admirable. Now get to work and secure the future for your great grandchildren !

[habibbialikafe]

Equality is everyone is equal. Equity is common stock and retained earnings for a company. Big difference no one is confusing the two. Pointless video, NEXT!

[addarrelstokes]

Equality feels like oppression to the historically privileged