Jose Responds To Elixir LiveView Not Good Enough

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[infinitelyexhausted]

Ryan Florence comes off as a prick. I've used LiveView a bunch and it's a pleasure to use.

[ken-kost]

Once Primeagen starts evangelizing Elixir as he does Rust now it's all over. 🚀🌔

[JoshuaFreeman]

Isn't this the same guy who made react-router's API incomprehensible over 5000 versions?

[ricky]

So what Ryan is saying is that since there is no first-party auth in react, no one who does react should ever allow users to be authenticated?

[aDaily]

@RyanFlorence is the reason Tech Twitter is the way it is.
If you dont like it, dont use it.
Stop trashing peoples work just because you dont prefer it,
talking about "its shit", "i can break it", blah blah blah.
if you dont like it, dont use it.
if you do like it, use it.
stop acting like a child, its software for christs sake,
lets just make stuff, make money, and have fun.

[plsreleasethekraken]

I can't take Ryan Florence seriously after his const vs let conf talk.

[lovebes]

Prime, maybe you know this already but Josê's name is pronounced "joseh" he is originally from Brazil, and that country pronounces "j" as "j" (and "r" as "h")

[raenastra]

you want to talk about ceilings, let's talk about using JS for the backend

[stevenhe]

Prime should learn Elixir and Phoenix LiveView. It takes two days for his experience level to get into Elixir and maybe a week for LiveView.

[matjazmuhic]

Oh. My. God... I see this soooo often. Developers being imprisoned by their chosen framework thinking that doing anything outside of it is "impure" and wrong. They don't even dare to write a simple class that is not extending/inheriting some concept from that framework.

[bigsnacks]

Prime highlighted the point Jose made - attempts made to interact with the client in anything other than a JS-focused approach are lauded while attempts made to interact with the server with a JS-focused approach are not.

[suede__]

I don't understand why someone would care so much about something they don't use or want to use.

[suede__]

41:15 the only way you could know if something is more expensive is if you built the _exact_ same app both ways. Then that begs the question, is that worth it over the potential impacts?

[flemminghansen]

I got a bit moist when you talked about web components. I had an old site with a mixture of React and Pug. Each was its own separate world. But with web components, I could simply throw them in like a simple div, and implement site-wide changes in a few hours. It was glorious!

[doyouwantsli]

To the person challenging with the 5 step web form: a fine little challenge except for the "autocomplete only one request". That's like typing your legs together. Don't request everything from the server and you won't have performance problems there. Optimize a bit and the autocomplete can be server side only.

[sanjaux]

15:53 What if you just make it so only one person can edit a field at a time, show what the other user is typing if the box is occupied, then when they press submit, the other users confirm if that's ok or not with a reason sent back to the first user typing? I guess that'd only work for single fields like titles though.

[larsh]

To the guy in chat saying "They can't event get their tenses right in their pseudo code":
Actually, it is correct, if you think event driven.

You have just decided, that the product is available and the user has previously clicked the "buy" button, then everything is in place the sell the product.
All side-effects afterwards happen, because the "product just got sold", meaning all side effects are a reaction to the fact, that the product has been sold (in the past).
Totally fine, and very well readable.

[vorpled]

Elixir / Erlang / Phoenix / Liewview look like pretty much the perfect development solution for people building small-to-medium sized sites.

I'm often wrong though, what am I missing?

[enkiimuto]

Everyone fighting about how 2 users can change the same document in real time like it was an MMO raid trying to get the last hit, meanwhile I'm thinking why not just lock the paragraph.

[TeoremaJohn]

José in Portuguese sounds more like Joseph without the ph than Spanish Jose (ho-zeh)