Should You Back? - Robinson Crusoe Collector's Edition

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Time Stamp:
0:00 - Robinson Crusoe on Gamefound
0:37 - Let’s Begin - The current market
03:58 - What are you able to get?
08:38 - My issue with the stretch goals
09:50 - Book of Adventures thoughts
15:56 - Add-ons
19:48 - Crowdfunding page setup issue
21:23 - Shipping
22:10 - Final Thoughts

[Shot]

First time on this channel. Really great points man, and really thoughful around whether or not you would play all 50 of those scenarios. Great Content.

[JohnnyMcNabb]

Disagree with the comparison of 60 extra character and 60 scenarios book. The book is broken into different difficulties and time. Doubt I would play the kid level. But knowing the difficulty before playing and the amount of time to play the scenarios is a great help to get the game to the table. Where as 60 character with little difference between them will never get played. I agree that the game is over priced ( especially the mystery and treasure chest) and doesn’t need mini and should be separate. I think the book is way better than treasure chest. Love the idea of the extra themed cards but wow is that way over priced. Another great video, great job even if I disagree with you.

[Voreten]

I'm backing this because I've been on the fence for RC in general and the fancy updated and more accessible new edition just put it over for me. This is my kind of game and if I'm going to get it, I might as well get the newest version w some extra tactile feel of the minis and scenarios. I hear the expansions are a mixed bag so I'm just at the "new stuff" pledge level.

[hornsfan]

This was a helpful discussion. I had backed the game but you made me take a hard look at things. And for me, the issue isn't exactly the cost, but the time commitment. I have SO many games. This seems cool to own, but it will NEVER hit the table enough to justify the cost, at least with me as a solo gamer or with my gaming group. It just won't. I don't have that much free time. I know that, and because I know that, I was already feeling the regret on this pledge.

And where is the money to pay for this coming from? Probably from a game that WOULD hit the table more often. So by cancelling my pledge (which I just did--sorry Ignacy, I still like your company and your social media presence), that just made something like Mythic Battles Ragnarok, or WHQ: Cursed City a LOT less painful for my budget.

Bottom line: There are a lot of great games out there. I do think this is one of them. But I simply don't have the time to play all of them, so why would I sink money into all of them?

[lotterwinner]

I thought this was going to be my change to delve into this game but woo that price tag is far too steep.

[pauljones]

I have played Robinson Crusoe about 50 times. It solos really well. Best at 1 but I have a group that like to play it too and as long as you avoid alpha gaming then that works well too.

[thapananawa]

I just sold my RC 2nd edition for 45 usd then back this one. To me, handing out basket for gathering action is much better than stupid disk. This is the game I play for thematic. So those minis will improve the game significantly for me.

To my view, the game play of RC is way better than Marvel United. The difficulty of this game is not the same as you get from Spirit island. The difficulty in this game come from luck base of dice rolling. Even if I die, I still have a lot of fun.

[nemogondor]

hi Chris, i like your video but the section about the scenario's kinda misses the mark as the 50 scenario's include the original 6.. and (sadly) 20 remakes of these 6, leaving you with 33 scenario's for which at least 2 you need the Mystery Tales expansion which is an add on and not included in the deluxe collectors edition. and 6 promo's you might have already. there are 24 New scenario (one of the last 5 top secrets is labled as horror so it might need the Mystery Tales expansion as well. And currently they are having votes for the top 3 best community scenario's which will be added to the book which, again... is not new as they already live on the forum.


I am a book only backer myself as i don't need the miniatures but i am a bit sad about it the be honest.




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See full scenario list here:


again, nice video just some extra info here for you and who ever is watching

[scyldscefing]

This game is in my top 10. I'm not a minis fan, so will skip that. I did back the scenario book and added the play mat. Very excited.

[danielveda]

One additional bonus for backing this new edition is that everything will fit in one box (not the old expansions). If I were to buy the 2nd edition and than go with the upgrades, I would have a hard time fitting everything in the box. If I get more expansions later I could probably put something in those boxes.

[YTAmado]

I'm thinking of going for a late pledge. 
I already have a first edition (the one with the messed up rulebook and hard to understand cards) and I liked it a lot. 
But I almost always had to play it solo because it is in english and was hard and time consuming to explain to others. So I'm thinking of going for the new collector's edition in Portuguese to try to make it more immersive for my friends and get to play it more often.
Does that make any sense or am I being delusional?

[Proman]

As a fan of the base game, I will not be backing this. A lot of the stuff, including the stretch goals, is superfluous fluff that doesn't add anything. In fact, I can honestly see it making playing the game worse. Take the minis as an example. The way Robinson Crusoe works is, each player has two pawns (round wooden tokens) that you use to mark your actions every turn. If you stack two (or sometimes more) pawns on each other, it gives a different effect. You can not stack minis on top of each other, so you instead mark the minis with a plastic ring. In essence, you are taking a very simple and visually distinct mechanic - stacking tokens- and making it more complicated and more convoluted for the sake of having nicely sculptured miniatures.

Another example is the camp. In the base game, you will build up your camp with walls and roofs by moving a wooden token along a roof track and wall. A big part of the gameplay in RC is that you will often lose the roofs and walls you have built up from different effects (bad weather can destroy both etc). A very simple action as you are moving a token back and forth on a track, which also makes it easy to see how much of each you have. With the stretch goal camp mini, this is replaced by adding and removing plastic walls and roofs from your camp. Once again taking a simple and visually distinct action and making it more complicated and more convoluted for the sake of having nicely sculptured miniatures.

The book of adventures I like the idea of, and I think it's the one item in the entire Kickstarter that makes sense to have. But, as you said in the video, do you really need that many scenarios? I have played the game for probably a good 15-20 hours, and I have only played 4 of the included scenarios. What is making me not backing this for the book is the cost. 45 euros for 55 scenarios? When I haven't even completed the included scenarios? Naw fam, I don't see the value and I don't see the point.

To summarize my feelings on this - I think the base game of Robinson Crusoe is great and is a complete package. Nothing in this is, in my opinion, going to add any value or extra enjoyment to the base game. I honestly would have bought all the miniatures if not for the fact that I only see the minis making the gameplay worse. Which is unfortunate.

[patriziopastore]

You have a point but the mins are done by AR so they need to push it somehow... Anyway I think 115 is the best option for a new joiner

[aSyphodias]

Still on the fence for this... I got my retail copy last week, played a few times and really like it. But I don't want minis but I want some of the SG... I do want the book for sure but maybe retail.

[Mrthe]

I expect 1 hour of gameplay time per $3 i spend on a board game. $1/hr on video games. Otherwise i wait for a sale ;) I'm curious how many of the adventures require more than on player (competitive only scenarios). This game might get close to that $3/hr.. i really want the game but it a bit too expensive, still deciding on backing or just buying the 4th edition for $47.

[SlugHug]

I agree. I died playing this game many times, I wanted the book for the variety, but with the shipping cost to AU, better getting a whole other game or getting one of the other expansions sold here. I never ended up building a proper shelter in the game original scenarios, so that “castle” seemed really overproduced and something I won’t use in-game. I love painting miniatures and like to incorporate them since they do give another feel to some games, but not sure in this one since each will represent an action and we get two of each, not a character on a location, so again, not entirely sold on them either enhancing the experience that much. I think this shows the merit of the base game, it is really well done and “complete”. Anyways, thanks for the videos.

[chaoscoversgames]

5:08 but all stretch goals in all campaigns are planned ahead of time for the most part. I think Blacklist games has real stretch goals. But pretty much every other company it's a lie and was pre-planned

[aonline_abridged]

I sympathize with your feelings towards gameplay content being stuck to expensive minis. Clearly Portal got in bed with Awaken Realms and it seems minis are part of the sweetener. I personally own a lot of minis heavy games along with my meeple and cube pushers, and never once have I wished to see minis on Robinson Crusoe, all i wanted was more scenario content. Especially as adding these plastic elements is cleary causing a huge price hike. I was so exited for the book of adventures, and I still am, but everything else surrounding it is leaving a sour taste.

Another personally relevant issue is that I have the Zman edition (and Voyage of the Beagle and Treasure chest and Mystery tales, loyal fan here). Despite what the campaign claims, the update pack will not work for Zman edition, only the previous Portal edition, the board wont fit in the box, the cards are different size and card back is different, and yet I was only able to find out about this on bgg forums because that information/warning is not clearly provided in the campaign. So while I was grudgingly on board to get the update pack with the minis, now I have to decide if I need to buy this game yet again (and at a blown up sales tag) to get at the new gameplay stuff and not have to worry about full compatability :(

Right after the Everdell snub, this has pretty much convinced me to be a 2nd edition backer/buyer whenever a reprint is a likely thing. For me, update pack/ original owner treatment is becoming the litmus test for golden companies I trust and would back should they launch a new project.

[brianmyers]

I was out until the triple layer boards stretch goal. Even then I'm just getting the base game. I'll pick up the adventures thing and the rest of the stuff for my son at retail. Unlike a lot of KS you will save a ton of cash waiting.

[RedWintyr]

I am backing this, I don’t like when people say that you can pick up the core game at $25 because with shipping it is about the same as the Amazon price of $50. Also disagree that the book of adventure is like Cmon miniatures. The miniatures add no new game content where the Book of adventure does