Is Desktop Linux Too Slow?

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Chapters:

00:00 - Desktop Linux Development Is Slow
00:32 - Linux vs Proprietary Operating Systems
01:43 - Is it true?
03:13 - Things that need to change
04:55 - Personal Thoughts

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#linux #opensource #2023

[prianshubhatia]

For tools and softwares like Wayland, pipewire, pulse etc, the organisations do need to get together and have a focused approach. It will lead to better experience for an average user.

[kote]

- Linux develops slowly!
- Why do you think so?
- It does not change the start menu every couple of years!

[GeneralFStab]

The biggest assumption to be made is that if alternative project didn't exist, then that would mean more contributors for the more mainstream project. For something like Pipewire vs PulseAudio, I would say fragmentation is bad because these project essentially are aiming to do the same thing, but when it comes to distros and DEs, I do not think fragmentation is bad. For the Desktop and Distros, most of these distro are born through a need or want. I highly doubt MATE devs (who forked GNOME 2 due to not liking GNOME 3+) would EVER contribute to modern GNOME if MATE ceased to exist.

A lot of us came to Linux to experience choice. I also like to say that most of these devs are not being paid upfront so there is no incentive to move any faster. We have the choice to pay $0, so I am willing to make compromises.

[Nomad-qmzf]

I know people really hate when this is brought up, but fragmentation actually IS a problem. There are certainly situations where I feel like I have to sacrifice one thing I like in order to get something I really like, because the thing I really like is in a different distro. If it's in the same distro, it's on a different desktop environment, but that isn't supporting Wayland yet. Windows absolutely benefits from everyone's work contributing to everyone's work. Hopefully distros like Vanilla OS and software like distrobox unifies our efforts a bit.

[Beryesa.]

Nice video but I have to say, Gnome and plasma development is faster than ever in recent years. The underlying stack changes taking so long can be summarised in 3 things imo
- not even quarter of the budget and almost no comparable industry help, you're on your own. BUT they're exceptionally passionate.
- foss devs don't call it a day with bad choices, they take a month to make a good one (especially lower stack people)
- preferring freedom over enforcement. We can never have a complete unity. But it's NOT an issue as long as we unite around xdg standards for interoperability (like .config folders, .desktop specification etc)

[damadorpl]

It depends on what you expect for a desktop - most propertiary systems missing any customizations. Somehow, Windows starts to borrow tiling windows manager from many popular Linux desktops :)

[serrapi_]

It just seems slow because the desktop environment is just a bunch of smaller projects all working at different speeds, some components get really active development, others only see small changes over many years, and alot of minor headaches seem to never get any attention because everyone just patches things up in the terminal and nobody ever gets around to actually fixing that. Multimonitor support is janky at best, vaapi almost never works ootb, nvidia drivers have their own can of worms to deal with, and I still cant get sddm to display on anything but the worst monitor.

[BWGPEI]

I know MS Windows slows down with age, but our Linux systems don't seem to do this, much to my glee. Nor is the Cinnamon desktop we use giving us problems with usability. So far only one display per system, and thanks for the information.

[janzibansi]

The stock Gnome 43/44 DE really got me hooked. Came for the wayland support, stayed for the general workflow. Its just so fast if you are multitasking. That activity corner and desktops👌.

But its missing a lot of stuff. For example, you cannot set different background on secondary screen (easily) there are workarounds, but its a lot for something that should be right Nope, you need to merge em together in gimp in exactly your physical monitor setup and stretch that across the whole canvas

[examancer]

Gnome is amazing and moves very fast in recent years. Just the last two version bumps alone (41 -> 42 -> 43) have featured big and brilliant changes. KDE has been moving very fast recently. I don't know who is saying linux desktop development is slow.

Valve's efforts and the influx of gamers/users they have brought is really re-invigorating support for gaming and hardware while leading to lots of refinements and more fine grained controls for power users. It's the best time ever to be a linux user, both in a vacuum and in comparison to Windows/MacOS.

It's never felt closer to "the year of the linux desktop" no longer being a punch line.

[SoulsRoca]

Hey, it only got 13 years for gnome to get a file picker and thumbnail support 🤦‍♂️

[sebastianmeisel]

While Linux is behind in some aspects it is way ahead in others. MacOs and Windows adapted to multiple desktops and grid solutions years after Linux desktops. And on Windows I still have to close my PDF generated by another programm, when I want to save changes - something I could do on Linux since PDFs exist.

[bitcortex]

What a great look at desktop Linux – and why there's room for more than one approach to OS development. And yet so many still push for Linux adoption where it makes no sense – and trash the commercial alternatives for being "in every possible way inferior".

Anyway, I see no reason for the community to change how Linux is developed. The distros have rejected multiple standardization efforts, and I agree with their reasons. Choice is Linux's strength, and the desktop is no longer the primary computing environment for the masses. This isn't 1995; chasing desktop market share is a waste of time and can only hurt Linux.

[lorduggae]

It's a "d*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't" situation. If the development moves too fast and makes your desktop unusable people complain. If it moves at a slower pace, it gets labelled as "old and behind the times"

[redcrafterlppa]

My biggest hold back from Linux are windows applications that are essential to me and don't run on wine. If there was a way to create a reverse wsl I would even do it myself. But since Microsoft won't do it and windows source code would be necessary for a greater application support (then wine for example) it's simply not possible to my knowledge. Running a vm is slow and recourse heavy while still making working awkward and buggy.
Since there is currently no solution for me to switch I will ride the 60% windows 40% wsl train for now.

[amadensor]

People who claim Linux is too complex with too many things from the command line are the ones who never ran into problems in Windows that require regedit. I had one of those this morning. I removed One Drive on a fresh install, and it would not let me move the documents folder default off of the One Drive directory.

[metalmusic]

iv'e been a linux user for many years and have tried and tested many distros and there is one big issue that needs to be addressed no matter what distro you're on. I play alot of games and when i try out a distro i copy my games from a usb 3 drive which will be about 7tb of games. my biggest problem is that when you copy a large amount of files with every distro i have tried, no matter which distro the file copy will start fast but then slow to a crawl. windows can copy files at a steady speed and you can get work done while waiting for files to copy ect but with linux it starts out okay but soon slows to a crawl even if you have a decent swap file and 64gb ram. and if you try to do things even when the transfer rate has dropped to a pathetic 32mb, the system gets slower and slower and then you have no choice but to wait till its done because doing anything else is out of the question. this has been my experience with every single distro even with brand new hard drives for game storage. i use an nvme for my boot drive. i find that when copying huge amounts of data, desktop linux just cannot sustain the speeds that windows does. im sure im not the only one who experiences this. no matter what hardware and if its new or not its the exact same

[poseidon]

The problem for me is building a custom distro that matches the abilities of my hardware. I'm new so it hasn't been an easy learn. I just want to customize a distro that can web browse and watch videos and do it without screen tearing and at least up to 720p. I have a laptop with an AMD APU E-300 dual+core at 1.3 Ghz and R5 graphics. That should not be too hard. And no, I should not have to go the LFS route. I'm getting closer, but it hasn't been any easy ride. I prefer components over integration. I would like to be able to take tiling manager like Sway, and customize it to work more like a desktop such as OpenBox, LXDE, or LXQT. I like the mouse. I can't get away from it. More front ends for those terminal programs.

[SteinGauslaaStrindhaug]

But Windows haven't had any major changes to it's "desktop environment" since 1995 when they created the start menu.
And the current look and feel of MacOS is also pretty much the same as it was 15 years ago.
Gnome has changed much more often than that in substantial ways; so much so that lots of people though it was moving too fast and made forks of gnome 2 and crrated several much more conservative desktop environments.

[yehiazaglol]

well i think windows is slower in development than linux if you look at the difference between windows 10 and windows 11 it is just a centered start