DF: One Of Us Won't Switch To OLED Yet... But Why?

[DanFarrell]

I can’t imagine ever going back to an LCD screen. The LG C2 that I have is just incredible and every time I see an LCD with its grey blacks I’m shocked I ever dealt with that

[DuckAlertBeats]

Thank you Rich for calling out the Master Race thing. It's so obvious and pretty embarrassing that it even needs saying tbh, Good on you

[louisrharmony]

VA over OLED is crazy to me. I have a CX that I use with my PS5 but use a VA monitor with my PC. It’s getting harder to enjoy gaming on the VA and I’m looking to upgrade within the year.

[NetDive]

I remember Oliver said he used work with a Canadian new channel. he's probably used to looking at reference level brightness on PVMs and such.

[TetraVaalBioSecurity]

Saying the G3, or any of the QD OLEDs from Samsung or Sony, aren't bright enough, is pretty wild. I do believe that in standard HDR, the G3 measures north of 1400-nits in its standard HDR mode on a 2% window. I can't imagine the 'Game Mode' is going to drop the brightness down below 1000-nits. Not to mention the ABL on modern OLED sets, particularly the G3, is substantially less aggressive than prior year models. In fact, LG's G3 OLED features the single biggest leap forward in brightness from a year-to-year model since OLED panels became widely adopted on the consumer market. Factor in features like heatsinks, better/realistic color volume thanks to the MLA tech, and I have no idea how he hasn't made the jump to an OLED panel.

Also, one thing that needs to be noted here: OLED's tech has a higher perceived interpretation of brightness, even on older year models, even before MLA and QD OLEDs came along. The reason being because of 'true black' and the infinite contrast ratio, it creates a brighter level of color and highlights to the human eye. This was something Vincent Teoh touched on a few years ago. That infinite contrast ratio is what helped with OLED's HDR capabilities compared to higher-end LCD models, even when OLEDs were only hitting between 600-700 nits on 2% windows years ago.

There's a lot of benefits to OLED as a display tech that goes beyond just number measurements. But even then, the brightness on 2022 and 2023 OLED TV panels are far, far brighter than what they used to be. And that combined with its self emitting pixels, makes for some of the best consumer market visuals you're ever going to get.

[Gosu]

I feel you — brightness is so much more important than blooming from FALD. There is also that weird feeling you have when you realise oleds burn down with time — you kinda have to have this in mind that you can't abuse it with static content, so let's say you are running apple music on TV - you constatly think to yourself how bad is this static ui for this TV...

[Azalis]

I can't go OLED yet, too much of my family watches too much cable news and I am super paranoid about burn in. I am actually leaning towards The Samsung QN90C. It looks like their new IPS like panel has caught VA in contrast (at least according to RTings tests) and still retains the advantages of IPS over VA in motion and VRR, and at least subjectively to me, in color intensity.

[DaCashRap]

I have an LG G2. It's an awesome panel. Brightness, colors and HDR is top notch. Not mentioning the 120Hz. I imagine a G3 to be even better

[batsai]

Richard, thanks for bringing up the master race reference. As a long time adult gamer, this has ALWAYS bothered me, especially as a PC gamer. Thanks as always for all of the great content.

[SidorovichJr]

Life hack tip: buy S95B(or 95c/90 doesnt matter its the same panel so B is cheapest), mod it via service menu to get 2500nits peaks which is sick that oled panel is even capable of lcd level like brightness and enjoy life at its fullest.

[ZinhoMegaman]

Neo QLed user here, It's an excellent alternative for those who don't want an OLED yet.

[bearwynn]

@2:15 the Samsung Q90C isn't an OLED. It's Neo-QLED

[MultiAmmar]

Lmao I love the condemnation and mini lecture at the beginning.

[demiurgicsoul]

OLED screen consistency has definitely been a problem. Seems like the QD OLED displays that Samsung make may have finally fixed it. They get pretty bright these days too.

[Strangepete]

I have a 2010 LG 47 inch 1080P TV called an SL8500. Glass panel completely glossy. I can control my light surroundings well and for me the glass front just makes it pin sharp and pop more with contrast. I don't feel that mat coated PC monitor style look for a big "cinematic" TV. It helps to lessen reflections but I just like a glass panel glossy looking TV for that cinematic look, it's more like looking through a window into another reality somehow. I personally think the glass panel is part of the reason people are wowed by OLED's nowadays because I never see glossy glass panel LED TVs produced anymore.

[RayzaNC]

surely just get a QD-OLED then? Plenty bright enough and so far superior to VA it's mindblowing someone with tech knowledge wouldn't know this lol.

[TheMarcelnl]

Oliver, get the s90c or s95c qd oled tv. Coming off a q70r qled i can say its way brighter and way more colorfull than my qled

[chrisherbert]

QD-OLED doesn't have any screen uniformity issues that I've been able to see. I'm surprised you didn't find the S90C bright enough on SDR, as I think it's around 250 nits on a full field white screen. That's very good, and brighter than SDR on older OLEDs from LG, for example. Samsung's QD-OLEDs aren't perfect by any means but those aren't issues that I've encountered.

HDR is, annoyingly, to some extent limited in brightness because it uses *absolute* rather than relative values for for luminance. It's a little like having a stereo without a volume knob, and it means that in practice, "accurate" HDR content is usually far less bright than SDR content in practice.

[its_muhchannel]

I won't buy another OLED after mine got burn in. I'll stick with mini led until micro LED arrives.

[sethrangel]

Personally, I can't notice much of a difference in colors between my old IPS ultrawide and my current LG C2. Dark scenes are a little more impressive and HDR is a neat feature, but constantly worrying about burn-in with the sorts of games I play (MMOs and RPGs) that have a lot of static UI elements makes me wish I sprang for a regular monitor instead. There's also so much weirdness with LGTV Companion not always triggering its screensaver and a lot of times activating in the middle of borderless-fullscreen games (where even the "fullscreen" setting makes no difference), forcing me to disable it while I play those games. Trying to do school work is similarly a pain; for anyone on the fence, just be aware of the downsides if you're expecting a big upgrade with no caveats - you need to hide taskbars, hide desktop icons, minimize idling over too many static images, minimize idling when browsing the internet, set up a screensaver, etc. if you plan to use an OLED as an all-purpose display and want to prolong its lifespan.