The Nephilim, Hades, and Other Oddments | Doug Wilson

In this episode of Blog & Mablog, Pastor Doug Wilson discusses biblical cosmology, the Nephilim, hades, and other oddments.

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Enjoying this video? Check out Doug's book "Mere Fundamentalism" today!

[jmbragatto]

What an amazing video. Great to see someone being honest with the text doing a proper exegesis. 👏🏻

[sabrif]

All praises to the Lord for this excellent video❣️🙌👍

[God_is_in_the_details]

Execellent, is wonderful to find what seems to be a channel presenting the full counsel of the Word. Having said that, I would have to offer this challenge: so many folks who take the ‘God-means-what-He-says’ approach to the reading of Scripture (indeed, the correct approach), only take this approach as far as is really comfortable, typically drawing the line at cosmology. The Bible is clearly not a heliocentric book, yet one who is otherwise a Bible-matter-of-factualist won’t hesitate for a moment to impose a foreign cosmology on the Bible. One example of many: Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, not the earth to stop rotating. You say “Joshua didn’t know any better.” That’s fine, but you must then apply the same rationale to every other apparent instance of scientific ignorance in Scripture. In so pursuing a delicate tap dance of selective parsing soon the authority of Scripture unravels.

[rodneyvandenbosch]

After hearing this, I don't know why I ever held to the sons of Seth & the daughters of Cain explanation. I have also wondered how bad must it have been for God to the destroy the earth, when the rampant sin of today, (in defiance of, not ignorance of God's laws) hasn't brought Jesus back to end things? The Nephalim being human/angel hybrids would explain a lot. Thanks Doug.

[Subvisual]

1 Enoch, it's not canon but it ties all these threads together. Not necessarily Biblical truth, but excellent context, and those who wrote the New Testament were almost certainly familiar with it (if not directly quoting it in Jude's case).

[Hupernike]

What sense does it make for us believers, to believe in the supernatural creation account, and the supernatural resurrection, but almost none of the supernatural events in between?

[jonathansullivan]

I thought we fundamentalist southern Baptists were the only ones that actually believe the bible says and means what the bible says and means. All jokes aside, it really is nice to hear someone from another more "distinguished" denomination confirm what we have been saying for generations in my family at least. Simply. The sons of God came to the earth and married women as they chose. There were giants in those days. both before and after. Thus the command of God to Joshua to wipe out entirely certain Canaanite tribes. they were corrupted flesh. I'm new to checking out Dougs stuff, bought his book Mere Christendom. Really good book. Not a post mill guy at all, but i do fundemntally agree that we Christians need to get up, get active and take back our culture & institutions and disciple the nations.

[BirdDogey]

I think Luther's take makes the most sense. These weren't supernatural but overly proud and boastful people who had an inflated sense of self. I would refer you to his Commentary on Genesis the Beginning thu the Flood.

[KenAmmi-Shalom]

It was noted, “Nephilim where the gigantic offspring…giants” but what's the usage of the vague, generic, subjective, multi-usage and modern English word "giants" in English Bibles?

[gabrielperez]

Somebody brought the tank to the gun show!
Bam!
Keep it coming pastor!
Great word!

[Eternal-Security]

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Hebrews 1:5 KJV

[jameskottaridis]

Took you long enough. 😅
Welcome to the party. May this be another step on your journey towards the Orthodox Church.

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4:20 The issue here is that Nephilim doesn't mean giant nor does the Bible ever make the claim that Nephilim=Giant. Nephilim can mean fallen ones, or it can mean "ones who fall" thus possibly implying people who raid of people (to fall upon, which is a phrased used repeatedly in the bible). The assumption that it means giants only arose when Greek and Roman culture started to become obsessed with Giant based literature, so we see lots of Giant based literature spring up (Book of Enoch) making bold claims that Nephilim were 4000+ feet tall, fed on humans, devoured the landscape, and that the reason for the flood was to wipe out the Nephilim. It's almost its own genre during that time period.

Numbers, also calls the people in the land of Canaan Nephilim, which means that Nephilim is just a category for taller people, not some sort of demigod/hellspawn as described in Book of Enoch and other giant based literature (which are also non-canonical, but great for knowing pop-culture of that time period).

Ezekiel mentions Nephilim of sorts and in context it seems that they were both still alive and quite human at the time of Ezekiel. This, in my opinion, shows that the concept of Nephilim, at least in Ezekiel's time, doesn't appear to view them as giants, but as raiders who "fall upon" other people. This means that literally ANY group of people that raids or plunders could be a Nephilim of sorts. That being said, this is also a weak argument as then why isn't the term Nephilim used more frequently throughout the Bible?

In short, I'm not against the concept of Nephilim meaning tall; the issue is that Nephilim appear repeatedly throughout scripture without having any correlation to human/angel hybrids. You can't have Nephilim without angels, so the fact that Nephilim can show up WITHOUT angels means that angels aren't the determining factor.

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"The issues that precipitated the flood... 😏"

[andrewbrowne]

REALITY (including true science) is always stranger than fiction! Even the fiction of materialism (including scientism)…

[Hupernike]

Hey Doug, or anyone else who might know, is there any way to get a transcript of these messages?

[zapazap]

Is microbial generation of the human insulin molecule nephalim?

[MrSteeljazz]

Well said, sir. It’s way past time that someone like yourself addressed these matters in a scriptural, well thought out way. Just one thing, though: you’re correct when you say that God has promised that there will be no global flood ever again. But He made no such promise about localised or national floods. And you neglected to point out that next time, it will be a global FIRESTORM.
2 Pet.3:7-12. Be well.

[justinbirkelo]

Since you mentioned not being ashamed of the Bible's teaching, I'll come out and say this:

I believe the earth is shaped flat, and I believe that Scripture teaches such.

You say, Doug, that "We should not dispense with what we have learned through modern cosmology". I ask you, from whom have we "learned" anything cosmologically? Do we not merely believe in a heliocentric model of the earth, spinning endlessly in an infinite abyss of nothingness, merely because *we have been told to believe it* ?

Something to consider. Regardless, I appreciate your work, Doug. Keep it up.