Diesel Cummins vs Electric Truck - Are EV Trucks REALLY the Future OR Just a Flash In The Pan?

Diesel Cummins vs Electric Truck - Are EV Trucks REALLY the Future OR Just a Flash In The Pan?

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[reallyemptypockets]

I drove a oxygen delivery truck in for 10 years, Chevy box truck with about 10, 000 lbs. my route was in one suburb 5 days a week, less than 50 miles a day 8-12 hours. I could see an EV doing great on this specific route. I ran a 454 with automatic, the engine never broke down, but numerous starters, alternators, and the a/c was constantly getting fixed, I got 6 mpg.

[Sylvan_dB]

These are both "performance machines" but the performance of a truck like this isn't measured by 0-60 time but by the load it can haul and/or the trailer it can tow.

[erichwise]

It makes a lot of sense to use the ev where it shines and the diesel where it shines. People get stuck in their ideologies but really, things like school bus routes and local delivery are great use cases and use the diesels where the ev's make less sense.

[ThenewguyYT]

I think going Diesel-Electric hybrid woiuld be much more practical than full electric. They can get full electric to work, but definitely cant be anything more than local freight

[whidbeyhiker]

Perfect for urban delivery, Public Works, Military bases for maintenance, transit, school busses (recharge between morning and afternoon trips). No one is saying these will replace IC engines yet but it doesn't hurt to use them where they make sense.

[jessewalter]

My employer used box cab/chassis with 24 foot vans for our warehouse to HQ trips. Our IH's averaged about 50 miles a day, perfect for this truck.

[paulg]

There is a quarry in New Zealand that uses electric dump trucks. As the quarry is on a hill and the depot is at the bottom of the hill, the truck gets most of it's energy from regen braking i.e. it comes down loaded with potential energy from it's load of rock and returns up to the quarry empty, on the recovered energy.
They only have to spend a few dollars per day charging.

[figifister]

TFLT love the content. Although I really wish you guys would have asked a more practical question to International. Maybe you know the answer...how much energy (practically speaking in miles depleted) is used on a hot day when your sitting running the A/c waiting to be unloaded or stuck in traffic? That's a big question in my opinion. What about making a range extender option coming in the future? That is the future in my opinion. A small 4cyl running a power generator. To be able to run 500-700miles

[LakeNipissing]

I could see the EV truck being great for short distance runs in town or even on site only usage.
The down side, all of the electronics, battery conditioner, wiring looms and connectors are going to be trouble in places like Western New York, Toronto and Montreal with the copious amounts of salt used in the winter. It gets onto (and INTO) everything.

[Species-ljwh]

It's nice to see International trying to enter the EV space. With the limitations they could have just said. "its not feasible." But they did what they could for a specific use cases. School buses, fire trucks, City freight. Very nice.

[foellerd]

I’m so glad Andre got his trucking license so we can watch him review cool trucks like this. So much fun 😁 Nice work Andre!

[cujet]

I just drove a Cummins powered 26 foot moving truck 1300 miles. Took me 2 days. I achieved 10.3mpg at 65-70 mph depending on the speed limit. Each tank of fuel had just over 600 mile range. An EV would require a 900KWh battery to achieve just 300 mile range under the same conditions. Leaving ZERO payload. EV's can't do that job.

[BlueDuallyx]

I appreciate Andre doing these kinds of videos, but its clear how little most people know about how commercial trucks function. Regen braking would require no driver adjustment because it works the same as engine braking, you take your foot off the accelerator and the truck slows down. It even has three levels, just like engine brakes do, the only difference is you recharge the batteries instead of just slow down. It is that simple.
If you paid attention at 12:13 he says the range is based on the truck being loaded at 28, 000 pounds. Not empty like the Ford Lightning or the Hummer or the Tesla. Is that a huge range, no, but school buses, trash trucks, local deliver or city trucks would likely be fine.
The reason no one has redesigned a commercial truck from the ground up to be EV is because there is no need waste the time doing it, when the chassis is designed to be openly configurable as it is. Everything on the EV is easily serviced just like the diesel, there is no reason to change that. By sticking with a standard truck chassis, you can easily bolt anything to it that bolts to the diesel truck meaning International's customers can use truck bodies and equipment they already have.
And lastly if you ran it completely out of power you would call a tow truck, just like you would if the engine quit working. Big tow trucks also have air brakes and you would hook the tow truck's air system up to the EV truck the same way you would a diesel truck with a blown engine.

[seraphimsscythe]

And when it's time for "Battery Replacement" the real cost both out of pocket and Environmentally, become apparent.

[Burroughsbikebuilds]

Hey TFL, I own a transportation company in Denver and also live in Boulder. We had the opportunity to drive the Nikola BEV and specialize in class 8 final mile frozen deliveries. I’d love to chat about business and finance of these Heavy EV’s.

Regarding the fuel cost, last week we had about $7, 200 of diesel. In a week. Yikes!

[cmennenger]

I like the fuse panel in the top of the dash with the drain system. Simple but makes life easier on techs for sure.

[texasboy]

"The MV is a little more expensive." LOL! 😆

[icarusfarmsWV]

I'm skeptical when it comes to the financial viability on this, it just doesn't add up unless I'm missing something. The diesel truck should get ~8mpg, at $5.50/gal that comes out to $0.68/mile. On the EMV you stated that a level 2 charger would cost ~$50 for a full charge with a range of 135 miles, that comes out to $0.37/mile, clearly better but with the huge caveat that it will take overnight charging to refill the batteries so it is a once a day usage. With level 3 charging the time gets reduced to the stated 90 minutes in the video (still a long time compared to the 3 minutes to refuel with a high-flow diesel pump) but at an average of $0.50/kwh charge for use of the charger this comes out to $0.77/mile, higher than the diesel cost of operation. Now factor in the 3x sticker price and there is little to no business case that can be made for one of these trucks outside of a green metric for the company purchasing the vehicle...

[uliwehner]

i used to do door to door deliveries, intermodal last mile, mostly to businesses and all around town, less then 10 miles from the dock. 15, 000 pound truck, i would be back in to reload at least once a day, so for my use case with deliveries also in pedestrian only zones, an EV would have been perfect. Range would have never been an issue, especially since i had opportunity to re-charge during the day. Probably would have never taken more than 30 minutes. no fuel, no noise, no maintenance, brakes would probably last for ever with re-gen.

[.motorsports]

Saw a lot of little things as your camera went around the truck that tell me this was a very early design model or even a prototype vehicle. Lots of connections and modules that are not very well protected as a full production vehicle would be. The battery conditioning box hanging off the side and pretty exposed did not look refined. The high voltage cables hanging below the chassis and not covered is not very refined. Looks like they got more work to do before selling this as a production vehicle. Either that or they should expect a lot of warranty returns!