GeorgeNotFound and Wilbur Soot Just Hit Rock Bottom...

DreamSMP-affiliated creator Wilbur Soot recently faced accusations of misconduct from an ex-partner. And while that was quickly resolved, it inspired claims against GeorgeNotFound. And given the many layers to these claims, GeorgeNotFound sparked a fierce debate online.

This is a commentary on the recent Dream-SMP drama, namely from the allegations against Wilbur Soot and later GeorgeNotFound.

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[JimmyRobins]

Hey all, wanted to quickly clear a couple of misunderstandings that I'm noticing in the comments, mostly about George.

1. I do not think his actions are remotely comparable to Wilbur's. I thought I made that pretty clear, but was seeing some comments suggest otherwise. They are both covered here because of their association with each other, and because Wilbur's accusations directly inspired George's.
2. I am not saying that I think George's behavior was or wasn't an "assault". The only times I use that word, I am quoting Caiti. Honestly, I didn't see how it was going to be productive or helpful for me to try to attach definitive labels, especially given how murky the details have still been.

[lawliet]

As a woman, I really dislike seeing people put Wilbur and George on the same level. The former deliberately inflicted violence on a woman over and over and over again. In the latter case, BOTH were drunk, it was one instance, and no one had wounds. People think it’s funny because “dreamsmp sucks hahahaha” but like, let’s not lose the plot here.

[cooliostarstache]

I think, in conclusion, George and Caiti were both drunk and both had a failure in communication. I don't think George is a creep or a predator, hopefully they both move on and learn from this situation

[amstuckonyoutube]

One important thing i think you missed is the 21+ bracelet the friend group came wearing to dreams hotel room, it gives a better understanding of the reason of the misunderstanding

[Maker]

The situation with George should not be public, at least not yet. it really seems like it should be private.

[izuqueen]

I feel bad for shubble she didn’t deserve to be abused. And while I sympathize with Caitie what she did was wrong. It’s okay to regret an interaction with someone you admire and it would have been okay to share that it is okay to regret that. But for some ungodly reason she decided to try and burn everything down. I also feel bad for George because you can see how it is just eating him up and he doesn’t want to hurt Caitie again to the point that he is taking her attacks and apologizing. I think that’s the big thing I noticed is how aggressive Caitie is and how subdued George is.

[Karmaisabreez]

Funny how GNF accuser's deleted everything after telling multiple different story. She made Wilbur's victim seem like a fool. People stop faking accusations of SA challenge level impossible apparently. All it does is make real victims less believable. Gross.

[maryalicefike]

i understand speaking out about being uncomfortable to an extent BUT, using SA terms to describe unwanted tickling feels massively overblown and makes it hard to 1000% stand by her claims

[_b_e_a_n_s_]

I had a bf who would bite me and pinch me and hit me "as a form of affection". Even when I said I didn't like it, he would do it bc it made him laugh whenever I got scared. One time I remember he bit the bridge of my nose as hard as he could. I hope the victims are okay and feel safer now that people are on their side

[StarrChild.]

Caiti's one feels too planned.

-She deliberately set up the stream and told the events the same way Shubble did. She kept the guys name hidden but was then liking tweets that were sending death threats to Dream and George. She wanted it to be found out who it was.
-She first told the story that Dream was luring people to his hotel room and that she was so shy and nervous and silent but then it was revealed it was her friends pestering Dream to come out with them and eventually they invited themselves to his room. Then she admits she was responsive and laughing and smiling at the attention she was getting from George. She was getting up and down multiple times and going back to sit with him. She was not trapped. This was also the SECOND night where the events took place. She very deliberately left out the fact that they'd been up drinking in the hotel room for two nights.
-When George addressed everything and showed proof on his version of events she comes out with "I know I don't need to show proof but I'm going to" which is just not how it works. The reason why there is the saying "Support all victims" is because in most cases like these it is hard to get proof that it happened so it's to give a benefit of the doubt to the victims. But if she had proof and doesn't show it that's just taking advantage of that good nature of support.
-She was pushing heavy blame onto Dream and George for them drinking when she deliberately left out the fact she'd been at a party before that with her friends and they were already drinking when she shouldn't have been. She was 18 and being dragged to parties by her older friends who then just left her alone. I don't get why George is getting hate when a lot of criticism should go to her shit friends who just left a drunk 18 year old alone. Even Caiti proves this point with how shit her friends are, showing they only texted her AFTER the night to see if she was okay.
-The way she told events in the first stream make it seem like George was touching her inappropriately and that she and her friend were the only ones in the room with Dream and George. Then she admits that he only had a hand on her waist and that there was 8 (i think) people in the room who all didn't see anything wrong at the time.

-She first said that George tried to message her after that but left out the fact they'd actually been messaging each other for months playfully after that night and George was the one to stop talking to her when he found out her age.
-The story she told was about her experience with George. Many of her friends, who have been very vocal about their Dream hate, used it to just send abuse to Dream and so much of the hate was focused on Dream, which is really weird. Like imagine if Shubble came out with her story about Wil and then everyone started to send abuse to Philza. There would be a lot of "wtf" but because it's Dream no-one gives a shit or looks into it.

She's changed her story so many times and was caught out in lies and fabricating evidence to try and paint George as this monster, when it was nothing at all like that. This could have been handled privately and she could have gotten closure and George could learn from his mistakes but instead she wanted this huge public sceptical that's just shown she's lied to make herself seem like a victim of an assault that never happened. She had a drunk night at a party and regretted being flirty/affectionate with someone. That happens all the time and as someone who's also done that it sucks, but that doesn't make the other person an abuser.

[animeotaku]

I disagree that "just asking someones age" is an oversight or enough to know someones age, people lie, people in their teens lie. You are underestimating teens there. People make fake IDs, say lies like its normal, etc.

[rapha_kol]

i never got into the smp, by the time i knew what it was it was too late to even try. hearing about everything after the fact makes me glad i never got invested into this to watch it crumble so horribly after

[essyr]

No way Wilbur and George can't be on the same level. One *assaulted* someone, and the other is being lied on. They can't be put on the same level, I genuinely mean it.



Caiti lying again:
1. Apparently she states that George touched her t*ts. Now don't tell me this isn't bullshit, this is a big "detail" that she should've said the first time she spoke about it. Wow, what a twist! Surely not covering her a$$ with more lies!
2. She said she meant to say "Freshly out of high school" and not "Freshly 18" (she was 18 years old and five months)
3. Her words in short: "I wouldn't have been taken seriously if I haven't cried. I would've been called a liar and no one would've believed me if I didn't cry."
4. Yapping about the fact that "She doesn't want people subscribing and following her just because she's a victim, I still appreciate that, but..." Blah blah blah more bs

Note from me: who speaks about a "SA" (it is not) experience in a good mood? I mean, I've never seen someone telling such a story with joy, a sub/follower goal/count and pride in their eyes? I have my doubts.

At this point hers is just a goofy ass poorly-made Wattpad fanfiction

[Intoxicatingaxe]

My bf loves Biting me and I love it too. I love the bruises but there lowkey hickys AND he's terrified of causing me harm. Absolutely terrified and he hates when they do leave bruises because he doesn't want to be an abuser like ppl in his life Werth him

Like u can have a healthy more bdsm relationship but u need CLEAR boundaries and must NOT cross them. Otherwise yeah the person is an abuser and asshole.

That poor women

[ninachan]

As a survivor I'm tired of hearing what went down between George and Caitibuggz referred to as assault it is so fucking depressing honestly even from her own account I'm just disgusted by her entire fucking video to be honest. It's seriously mind-blowing the amount of people claiming it's assault they have no fucking idea what assault looks like if they consider her telling of that night to be so.

[Absbor]

Wilbur is clearly a case of "yeah those songs make so much sense now". But George? Should've talked out privacely.

[sikkouvol.]

One is real assault and abuse, and one is not. Both girls need therapy for different reasons, and one of the guys needs to be charged with an actual crime.

[celestric]

Wilbur assaulted someone and George’s name is literally being lied on. She literally doctored the evidence claiming his friend said that he was being touchy. He literally has a call with said friend telling him he literally did not send that message. The worst thing he did was tickle her?? He absolutely does not deserve any of the shit he is getting. They are not the fucking same.

[jerhom]

George apologising for being at the party and existing at this point💀

[eastdakota]

i really don't think George is at fault for like 99% of what happened. like.. the age thing. He literally stated that the After party required people to be 21+ to attend, due to alcohol. it's a fairly reasonable assumption that human you met at the after party was at the very least 21. i understand that's not necessarily how the law works in cases where the person is under 18, but she wasn't under 18.