Response To Rollo Tomassi

Rollo Tomassi went over our videos on the debate between him and Ruslan on his channel and this is our response.

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[roryf.]

I came over here after seeing Rollo sharing this video. As power flickers in my place because of Hurricane Ian, I feel a sense of lasting serenity listening to you all discuss what have been revelatory readings for me unlike anything else that I've read. Rollo's a great man and you got yourselves a new follower today my brothers in Christ. Much love.

[johnfire]

Rollo sent me. I fully agree with him that we live in a post marriage world. As a man it's an unconscionable contract. It doesn't offer any guarantees from your spouse because they can break their vows at any time and they even get rewarded with cash and prizes after. Marriage is not a guarantee against hypergamy.

[slavesor]

Good stuff fellas. I've been listening to Rollo for a long time now and I think this was good to hear from both of you.

[RustyFuel]

Yeah people should read Rollo’s Book.

It would also be nice if Christians read their Bible

[dilosilv]

Just came here through Rollo latest show!

[RedPillTRM]

A recommendation for you guys as Rollo suggested watch Divorce Inc, become knowledgable about the subject

[baker]

11:00, once again, is not being pessimistic, is about reality, and nowadays, saying It "seems" pessimistic. You guys still deflecting the real issue: yes, there is tradicional model marriage, and use that in today laws is INSCONSCIABLE for a guy, since he has ALL the obligations and compromises, and the women can put a end to tgat, and STILL get REWARDED for that. We live now on a "kosher" divorce church (divorce being accepted), and that relationship BY DEFAULT puts a Men in ENORMOUS disadvantage

[mrcreed]

What I took from this: "We will give out prescriptions and the primary one is: Join the faith" and "Even if you join the faith and it doesn't work out for you - suck it up, God just did not want you to continue your bloodline."

What a message.

Also: Not looking at ANY of the stats and discussing them.

What are you doing? You are not making a very good point to anyone who hasn't already joined the Christian faith, even though you said yourself that one needs to understand the other perspectives. You clearly did not understand because "arguments" from within the faith cannot function as incentives to those outside the faith. Unless of course I am totally wrong and you are sitting in front of a camera without any intention of spreading the gospel, just like women dress sexy for themselves.

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[Threelegs]

hey, guys good job, I like this kind of discussions.

[ahoutsch]

Came here from RT to say:

There's some intelligence to this entire discussion around values/mating inside & outside "the church" but the problem in examing both realms as a christian, in dating context, is contained within the religion's doctrines, itself, which cultivate a base of doubt in the rational plane up against faith in the irrational plane. I've got a client who is 68, married 33 years, methodist, with 3 adult children who started expressing concern about "what's going on out there" meaning he sees all the religious prophecy coming to pass except he *knows* it's all nonsense deep down in his bones just like you guys do. Yeah, that's when reality starts hitting bc this man knows if he abandons his faith bc rational thinking shows him through his senses that something is OFF about all the above, there will be problems. He knows if he shifts his basis of belief that he'll lose that 33 year investment at the snap of a finger bc his entire life is built upon it. His wife & kids would disappear tomorrow IF he threw his faith away.
Here's the thing: he knows he has to stick his head in the sand before changing his belief as a measure to protect the investment. In short, the man has to lie to himself about the faith. All christians do. I know because I used to be one. The entire doctrine is an argument between this faith and your rational thinking mind. Christians are at war with themselves.
Women do not belong to men or to God. They belong to the State. Don't care what your beliefs are but Christianity is tied into the entire base of trust & security backed up by things called laws. Women know this at their core and thus leverage the faith to approve of or disapprove of a man's state of morality with undeniable legal leeway to do so, even if they don't profess so-called religious belief. They're religiously loyal to the State for protection. So, all christian men are living in their wive's moral & legal frame usually before they're married. In other words, all [married or marrying] men operate within the frame of the State's legal/moral frame which is backed up by judeochristian customs. Adultery isn't illegal but it is understood as broadly immoral & detestable *by religious custom* and usually provokes divorce except in "high value arrangements", typically christian in undertone even as advocated by the late Kevin Samuels, where the woman, the real legal decision maker, often gives a pass because there's a $$$ incentive to do just that. Well, I'm describing married licentiousness. It affects the entire base of the married, not just the religious or non religious, exclusively. It affects all of society. Do we think those women aren't christian or living along the lines of christian custom by some measure of observation or claim?
Rollo Tomassi may not be religious, himself, but his broader base of knowledge & experience is very closely tied to his respective profession aside from being an author. He works for the alcohol lobby which is an industry that runs adjacent to Christianity because it uses that population base to measure consumer habits of it. Christians are drunk and their eating/drinking habits are predictable, by majority, as such. Their behavior has been catalogued in this modern matrix where it's consumed. He doesn't have to be religious because his industry mfgs the substance which fuels the "sin within" it. He knows what he knows because of that basis of research along with some lived experience. Christians drink the eucharist and are spiritually drunk, and, they (not ALL) drink wine, esp catholic & orthodox, and are actually drunk between sundays. I'm describing christian licentiousness.
If this weren't the case, divorce wouldn't be equivalent between "the world" and the church. The church is the world and most people in it are more religious (christian or abrahamic, in general) than they would claim or maybe even know. They are religious by observance of a myriad of customs. We all are. This is why the non-religious married amongst us still understand that infidelity is unwise. They're buttressed by legal consequences preceeded by a moral framework which is Judeochristian at its base of custom and legal enforcement. If you're marrying or married, you're practically christian in this country. Almost no way around it in practical terms.
The redpill is, therefore, not really in opposition to the baseline of christian religious thinking regarding relationships. Afterall, all these RP coaches who "retire" by getting hitched most definitely do so along the lines of judeochristian custom even if they do so with an officiant who assumes to leave "God" out of the ceremony. It's still sanctioned by the State. Their friends are likely religious. The whole world around them is still religious. The redpill of the Redpill is that the Redpill is THE MOST religious.
The redpill built the blackpill because christianity built the redpill.
The problems in the dating market emanate from that neither christians nor non-religious rationally driven w/ common decency can avoid the blackpill. That's why there is this "all of a sudden" so much intertwining of guys in the RP vs christians arguing over Rollo Tomassi. Why Roosh swung branches. Why Christian Tate, including himself, very much identified the leadership of the War Room as essentially clergy level playboys recently in his sit down interview with F&F in london.
So who is the future of the redpill protecting all the girls? You good ol' boy low-key self deprecating christians with a cross in your band logo or these legal pimps changing the entire dynamic of the marketplace for everyone? By all means, you all lay down worship to the same diety, apparently.
Always comes down to christians pointing at other christians saying "they're not the real christians". Now, it's redpill christians who don't know they're christian calling out and being called out by presumably "main fare" christians aka guys who don't wanna scare all the girls away with their *knowledge*.
Christian men hide behind a veil of so called higher morality but secretly wish and then secretly behave along the lines of those wishes behind the scenes in their "other life" in ways that drive the same divorce rate in the church as in the world. The more money you have, the more insulation you have to do this.
And I did, too, when I was a Christian and a drunk. I broke all the rules back then because I had a pass called "Grace".

It's not a post-marriage world. It's a post-knowledge world.

[RobertIsMusic]

The Red Pill with out Game is incomplete, are you guys open to learn about Pick Up Artist techniques?

[stephenblackwell]

8:20 The Be Attitudes are attainable it's our selfishness that gets in the way. They are attainable when we are in love with the Father. If you love Me you will keep My commandments.

[hominem]

Ruslan? you mean the guy that needed help with 2 cellphones and an apple watch. Being devious and schemers is not a christian value.

[Delroy]

You guys are doing awesome, and Mike Winger and Ruslan fantastic dudes. Any criticism you've received from the "red pill community" is mainly subjective and slightly petty.

Stay solid fellas 👏 💯

[Delroy]

Any community that motivates men to walk in bitterness and rage needs a "new" wake up call.