Jordan Peterson - The Enlightenment Was Wrong About God and Religion

Jordan Peterson explains that the Enlightenment was wrong about God and religion.

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[tomlabooks]

I’ve never heard anyone make so many great arguments for God without saying that he believes in Him. May God bless his soul and ours, and grant us enough difficulties in our lives so that we can truly grow up and understand.

[vmasing]

I was all about being _agnostic_ until in one quite ordinary day in 1989 God stands right in front of me as a pillar of... idk, a slightly shimmering air. It just stands there, about 4-5 meters from me. I wasn't high or drunk, fully awake at full daylight in the city. It just happened, without any warning, completely out of the blue.

The energy was immense, it's like you're put into the centre of the Milky Way, and you're just floating there surrounded by all these quasars and supernovas -- all this insane radiation. I mean, if I would describe it that's the closest thing I could think of. Insane, mind boggling energy, you can feel it with your stomach, with your whole body.
I was certain now I will die, I'll just burn to crisp the next moment. Terrifying experience! I couldn't think, I tried to run but then realized it's hopeless... just sheer animal panic.
A second or two later I realized OK I'm still alive, somehow? How? And there's even no pain!? Was a bit confused but I just gave up. Whatever, I have no idea what's going on here. Maybe it's shielding me from itself, somehow? I calmed down a bit, I could think again.

From then on it was magnificent, but still a little bit terrifying too. The fear of God is not a metaphor, it was meant quite literally. And then He spoke, directly to my mind.

So, what do you make of all this? This wasn't supposed to happen. Yea you can always dismiss it as a hallucination or something, and it's not like I need to convince anybody. For you it's just a story told by a stranger, obviously. So take it as you will, I have no problem with that. And it definitely doesn't mean I know who or what God is. It's just that...
_This world is way stranger than most people think._

[mathiusq]

Its fantastic that prominent figures are finally making these arguments

[Piercetheveilnow]

Yes. Grow up and pursue a relationship with your Creator. You didn’t come from nothing and you don’t exist from random chemical processes.

[Wolf-bzkq]

It wasn't an Enlightenment, it was Arrogance

[christianblack]

4:13 "...that's the Logos, man..."

[walesruels]

I find the haters' comments here hilarious!

[jorgelopez-prdr]

He's right as usual. They wanted a City of God without God.

[BarrySometimes]

It’s not the problem of the perspective Pinker & Shermer adopt, it’s the “problem” of the theistic definition of God that's problematic to Jordan's perspective. Pinker uses the theistic definition of God, Jordan rejects the theistic definition & substitutes it with another definition that isn’t compatible with theism, & by doing so Jordan commits an equivocation fallacy

[MRMTAGGART]

“You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.”
Jesus

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Jesus

[paulaustinmurphy]

No matter what Jordan Peterson is saying, he always makes it seem - through his delivery and the tone of his voice - that he's delivering the absolute portentous truth. It gets predictable and boring after a while. He needs to develop some nuance of delivery, and become less sure of every word he utters.

[asielnorton]

its a mischaracterization to say the enlightenment was wrong about religion. enlightenment thinkers like Locke and Rousseau were definitely believers, as was Descartes, Spinoza, Berkley, Leibniz, Newton, etc. i also think its wrong to say that ones metaphysical conception needs to be unity. there have been more polytheistic advanced cultures than monotheistic. but i would say that in general having a ontological framework outside of material monism is beneficial.

[IAMLiamwalker]

“Whenever virtue subsides and immorality prevails, then I come again and again to help the world.”

[charlessudom]

Many in our modern era follow the age of enlightenment movement unknowingly and without questioning the origins or probing deeper. In summary, this is why so many are agnostic or atheist as we are modern/rational and no need for myths and gods. However this is not rational as Jordan points out as the foundation is faulty.

[lukewagner]

He mentions covenantal relationship.
Galatians 3:14-16, 29 ESV
so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. [15] To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. [16] Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, "And to offsprings, " referring to many, but referring to one, "And to your offspring, " who is Christ. [29] And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Everyone who receives the Holy Spirit is in a covenant relationship with God

[puddleglumswager]

Nothing comes from nothing yet here we are. It follows that Something must eternally exist. Let's call it "God".

Atheists think God is more like a rock than a person. Energy/matter is eternal.

Theists think God is more like a person than a rock. Consciousness is eternal.

The question isn't "Does God exist?" God must exist. The actual question is "What is the nature of God?"

[timothypye]

Personally, my wife and I discovered we can rub along, it's nothing to do with effing metaphysics! Peterson really is a master of the mumbo jumbo.

[dominiqueubersfeld]

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[cyndirobinson]

Let the Holy Spirit call all unto Christ and mat they be taught and be saved.