DEBATE: Should Christians accept the Protestant Old Testament canon?

In this episode Trent debates Jonathan Sheffield on the question of the Old Testament canon and the deuterocanonical books of scripture that Catholics accept and Protestants reject.

Video Contents
00:00 - Intro
01:14 - Jonathan Opening
15:40 - Trent Opening
31:32 - Jonathan 1st rebuttal
38:47 - Trent 1st rebuttal
46:03 - Jonathan 2nd rebuttal
50:50 - Trent 2nd rebuttal
55:14 - Jonathan Cross-examination
1:13:54 - Trent Cross-examination
1:33:08 - Q & A
2:14:34 - Jonathan Closing
2:19:43 - Trent Closing
2:24:44 - Concluding Remarks

[probaskinnyman]

Bro trent how many debates are u going to attend?!? I’m really impressed by your work ethic. God is truly blessing u greatly and I hope to see all Christians are being blessed by your ministry!

[SantiagoAaronGarcia]

Former protestant, the canon was one of the things that changed my mind on catholicism. Trent is a beast

[JudeMichaelPeterson]

Member of the Anglican Ordinariate here. Love the shout out from Trent. The second worst part of being a member of the Anglican Ordinariate is having to constantly explain that I am, in fact, actually Catholic and not Anglo-Catholic or something like that. We need more awareness lol

[nathankimball]

Wish more debates would be as respectful and organized as this

[Francisco_Figue]

30:14 Thank you Trent! My same question when I was hearing Jonathan's opening, and not only him, many Protestant debaters who pick Catholic Saints (such as Jerome, Augustine and others) opinions on things that seemingly agree with part of what they are talking about, but those same Protestants disagree with such Saints on the vast majority of their writings, on doctrines such as Mary's perpetual Virginity, the Eucharist, Faith and works in cooperation with grace, on Salvation, on the Church, etc. So doesn't seem kind of honest, or congruent when they are presenting their case by quoting those Catholic Saints.

[leonardobarbieri]

Sheffield's error is to think Rabbinism has anything to do with ancient Judaism other than blood lineage.

[wjmcspf]

It seems to me that the Protestant view regarding the canon, as presented here, is that the Old Testament canon must be defined by Jewish rabbis. It seems clear that such a consensus was not extant. It seems to me, also, that the Catholic view of the matter is centered around the idea that God, through his Holy Spirit, defined scripture Canon. The Church holds that the Holy Spirit directed this canon in the Councils held to establish it. The Protestant view seems based on Protestantism. That is, there can be no church authority, therefore the Church’s establishment of the Canon cannot be correct. After this view is secured, the proof of its claim must be constructed through the interpretation of events past and enhanced through imagination. Historically, the Canon of Holy Scripture was defined in Council, under the direction of the Holy Spirit. Of course, this suggests one believes that the Holy Spirit actually works in His Church.

[brendansheehan]

Why would you ask the Jewish people who deny Christ as the Messiah to define the Old Testament?

[BornAgainRN]

2:24:25 Thanks for the plug for my book Trent. Greatly appreciate it! :)

[jonw]

I find the case for the longer canon more epistemologically and historically satisfying, but I found this debate incredibly pleasant to listen to on both sides. We can engage in historic and literary debate about the details, but the criterion for the canon itself begs the question. As far as I see it, even if the Jews exclusively used the shorter canon prior to Christ, what reason would that give us to prefer that rule as opposed to the one given to us by the Church?

[imonpluto]

Thanks for all the hard work Trent, you're a beast!

[Jerome]

He’s actually achieved Padre Pio’s level of metaphysical power and can now appear in multiple places at once.

[chase]

I don't really understand why we should care what post Christ Jews have to say about Canon.

[glof]

Quality debate but Trent, please refrain from doing any events with Canadian Catholic in the future.

[canibezeroun]

I finally understand the Catholic position. I was never an anti Catholic, but I have been seeking common ground for a project I'm going to do next year.

[simonchevalier]

Stunning job Trent. The Church has become the people of God, and Her Magisterium, garunteed by Christ, alone is the Authority.

[anthonytan]

Very organized and structured debate, fair moderator, kudos to all 3 of you guys. Gbu

[nofragmentado]

It is true, is not who win or loose. But to show what the catholic doctrine is been teaching and what Protestant teaches, leaving the audience to use our intelligent brain asking the Holly Spirit to guid us and do what it is truth and right to our Faith 🙏🏻📿

[_thomase]

One of the many things I never really understood about the Jews closing the canon of Scripture is that if they believe(d) Jesus wasn't the Messiah, why would they close the books? Wouldn't they wait for the Messiah before closing up Scripture? The Samaritans, Sadducees, Pharisees, and Essenes were still having disagreements about the canon.

[Mkvine]

I concur with the comment that was deleted. Trent please reconsider doing work with Canadian Catholic. He’s been caught preying on women and saying vile, perverse and blasphemous things. This can be verified so it’s not slander.