What If F1 ENGINES Had No Rules?

So, what if F1 ENGINES had no rules? How powerful could they really be?

I’m talking about no rules on the configuration -- so you could go for an inline-4, a V12 or even a W24 - why not?

So, what would designers actually do if the goal is to get an F1 car around the circuit as fast as possible?

Well, I spoke with a former Red Bull Powertrains Performance Design Team Leader, to find out what he’d get up to.

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[judet]

I expected this to go more like “FUCK IT, let’s shove a Merlin in.”

EDIT: Add the gun cowlings from a mustang to get the whistle, too.

[RainMakr]

This is something I would watch, basically a no-holds racing, wings, displacement, wheels, and turbo's all up for grabs; it would be like the wacky races.

[hodge]

This video is really disappointing, I expected this to be more like: "Right behind the driver is the Space Shuttle RS-25 engine which provides the 400, 000 pounds of thrust necessary to reach Mach 1 exactly 0.21 seconds after leaving the starting grid. Once that speed is reached, the rocket and fuel tanks are jettisoned and the downforce-scramjet is able to activate to provide the 200, 000 kilograms of downforce necessary to navigate turn 1 at 25 Gs. Now that the driver has been incapacitated, they too can be jettisoned to save weight, since F1 doesn't specify if the driver needs to be in control, or alive, when the car finishes the lap.

[ScottKenny]

A couple of days ago, I ran across a pretty crazy engine. A 2.2L diesel making 1000hp. Yes, absolutely massively boosted, running about 135psi of boost on a relatively low compression core engine, only a 7.5:1 compression ratio inside. Total inlet air pressure of 150psi, ~10bar.

Engine also had a power recovery turbine downstream of the turbo that was geared to the crankshaft, with the turbo freely spinning based on gas flow.

It's a 120deg V6, 2-stroke with uniflow scavenging like a Detroit 71 Series. Intake ports in the bore, 4x exhaust valves in the head. Mechanical injector in the center of the 4 exhaust valves.

So the exhaust manifolds were on the inside of the vee and the turbo pushed air through an after cooler before it went into the cylinders.

Even though it was a diesel, this engine spun at about 6200rpm. It's got options for adding more fuel or a methanol/water mix in the intake to further cool the intake air. Got better cooling effect out of the methanol/water mix, but just adding more fuel meant less complexity in the overall system.

Whole package weighs about 432lbs/200kg, and was intended as an option for a helicopter powerplant. Garrett/DARPA Compound Cycle Engine.

I want to build one.

[Lanse]

No limits hands down it ends up with a Wankel engine. Power to weight ratio is non comparable. Considering you can get 1000hp out of something a regular person can carry

[General_Madness]

Psychologist: engines can’t hurt you

Me: Horizontal K Engine

[BFESTI]

Funny that the reliability clip you show of the subaru is actually the clutch/flywheel exploding lol

[frankstewart]

A Centrifugal supercharged, 32 Cylinder, 8 liter, piston port, two stroke DIESEL, Four row, radial, with ten speed gear box. It makes well over 1, 500 HP at a weight about half that of the 1, 350 HP BMW mentioned before the Commel. The size is also much less than you mentioned. RPM can go to 22, 000 RPM, but that is not required for the listed power. Then you use a blow down power recovery turbine to form a Turbo-Compound engine. With the standard 1500+ HP is doubled to +3, 000 HP!
Now for the best part, EVERYTHING IS OFF THE SHELF PARTS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PRODUCTION FOR AGES!! Lighter weight and weight distribution, better aero, All encompassing body to cover the huge rear tires, or all four if you like, and the Underbody Venturi for huge down force and Hydro-dynamic suspension to down load the entire car with three to four times the current load!

[nerdy_dav]

I htink if you free up engine configuration rules, BUT limit the amount of fuel that can be burnt, have minimum car weights with the relative safety and aero rules, you'd have some interesting innovation around engines.

[y_fam_goeglyd]

I don't usually burst out laughing at the mention of an engine, but when you said "Pratt and Whitney", I couldn't help it! You've got to love Lotus!

[TheAwsomeSawse]

Make a demonic rotary engine, turbo it, then make it a hybrid

[chuckp]

I used to be an engineer and I would have loved the opportunity to design a completely new type of engine. The things that come to mind that i would experiment with would be, taking your block choice for some simplicity and going two stroke with a typical 4 stroke crankcase and valve design. Use the turbo for expelling exhaust, then continuing to charge the cylinder after the exhaust is flushed. Then push more towards the diesel style by using high pressure direct injection after tdc, may not be feasible but I'm tired and just playing. I would keep the hybrid turbo basics but replace the battery with a vacuum fly wheel. I would also add an additional combustion method for the turbine to speed it up and extract more of its existing potential. Like i said I'm not at my sharpest and just felt like playing and trying to re-live the good old days of conceptualizing before then spending a lot of time trying to figure out why it won't work until reaching a point that it might. Conceptualizing was one of my favorite parts especially with others and trying to see if you have an idea worth continuing to think about.

[sebulbathx]

Regardless of type or displacement or power I just want the revs to go back to 18K rpms in F1.

[launchpadmcquack]

I'm surprised rotary wasn't the pick given packaging constraints.

[Decayrate-of-Ravn-Rike]

Tip: Let the mic hang from something other than resting on the table.
Every time you emote with your arms and touch the table, there is a low frequency banging noise - which sounds like someone is jumping on the roof or the floor above.

Great video though :)

[NorthernChev]

The quick clip of Jackstand Jimmy bobbing his head with the tempo of blower surge was an epic addition.

[MisterMikeXL]

This guy: "What if F1 engines had no rules?"
Also this guy: "There's must be some rules"

[morelanmn]

I cannot believe you completely overlooked the engine style banned in F1, The Mazda Wankel style motor. Time for a new video just on this engine.

[brianmoore]

Turbocharged two strokes. No valves so lighter and smaller, allowing more displacement per space. No wasted piston strokes. Can be done with dry sump lubrication, so no lost power from oil in the fuel. Tuned pipe exhaust further raising power.

[gutersteinker]

It would easily just be a Turboshaft Hybrid engine and supercapacitors (instead of batteries) with some powerful speakers to make it sound like a V10 😂