The Problem With White Pine Bonsai

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Join me as I learn from an important (and expensive) mistake with my Japanese White Pine bonsai. Whikte pine make such beautiful bonsai trees, and by looking at where they grow in teghir native environment we can learn some important lessons about how to care for them.

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TheBonsaiGarden
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I've got 4 JWP.. a Yatsubusa variety "Catherine Elizabeth" that I've had since 2017. An 'Adcock's Dwarf', a Cork Bark, and a 'Hagoroma'. I've had 2 'Fukai' variety since 2017 but they both died during overwintering here in the Toronto Ontario area. I also have 3 saplings that I've grown from seed over the past few years. Two years ago I had 28 seedlings that sprouted. All but 2 died over that summer. They are very delicate on their own roots, which is why I value the 3 survivors. All my JWP overwinter outside with mulch piled up around the pots to reduce the freeze-thaw cycle. This past winter we had hardly any hard freezes, which was totally unusual. But they are all doing well.

bobmccarlie
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You said this may give rise to some debate so here goes Although water can be a big issue it is important not to rule out a different root related issues. What did the roots look like when you explored them? In my experience, the browning off occurs over several years - which points to a problem a lot earlier than this years heavy rain. You may have inadvertantly purchased a pine that was already 'unwell'...the heavy rain just sped up the process a bit. Generally, I find White Pine to be very hardy and have left mine outside in UK winters without any issue. Great production as always Jason :)

XaviersBonsaiRetreat
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I lost a couple of small JWPs in my early bonsai years and it led me to believe they were difficult and not a tree for me. It’s now clear that they, like your unfortunate tree, were planted in 100% Akadama and didn’t stand a chance. Far too water retentive. I tried again several years later in a much freer draining mix and I now find them one of the easiest pines.

ElizabethCruttenden
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With pines it can be crazy. For example, a year ago I decided to start a forest bonsai with 1 Korean pine and 4 local Scots pines (I live in Russia). This December the temperature dropped to - 40 C... All the 4 Russian pines died, but the Korean pine survived... Insane...

dmitrimikrioukov
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I'd take out any organic elements of the soil mix used for pines in the UK (I see some here in the video) and go with 60-70% pumice, 30-40% Kiryu or very hard akadama. When watered (or rained on hehe) the water should disappear pretty much immediately, ultra free draining. The majority of white pines for bonsai I see here are not on their own roots, but grafted onto black pine rootstock, meaning they can probably adapt slightly better to the damp and more resilient.

Pilko_international
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I lost my oldest (white pine) tree this spring. I've had it since 2008. Was originally a 4 foot garden tree(glauca) that I cut down to a reasonable size. Its the only white pine I had so I'm particularly annoyed about it. I WAS looking forward to attempting some grafts onto the many young black pines I have.

andrewclack
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Your drawing of the different elevations for different pine trees was informative. Makes it so much easier to remember the information. Sorry for your tree loss. Never easy to lose a tree, is it?

susanbossert
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Thanks. I've ordered my first white pine (a Negishi sapling) and this has told me what to expect and what not to do. 👍

cycleSCUBA
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I have a shohin white pine which is the most weird tree that I have. I have it potted in a pumice and kiryu mix, watering it to a minimum, full sun and it's still never fully happy. Even after a repotting (maybe once every three to five years), it sheds all of it's needles and then starts to bud all over the place. It's a Pinus Parviflora " Kokonoe ". I live in the east of the Netherlands btw.

maanjezus
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Superb video, very informative. Not many videos explain some basics like this. Thanks

Thomdoodle
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I bought a very young white pine and potted it up after it arrived but shortly after that the needles started to turn brown. I suspected that the soil was not draining freely so I repotted it in a loose bonsai soil and it recovered.

highwayjim
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Hello Jason, my only suggestion would be it was a root problem and that could be either a) Over-feeding them b) Over-watering them. Either case, as you say it's life is over and you move on. I have a very very old JWP that's grafted on Black Pine rootstock, it's an absolute beast of a tree. Last time I repotted, it was like concrete which probably meant it didn't receive as much water as it could have. That being said, I will have to probably drill some holes this year, to let it breathe again. Being also on Black Pine rootstock I was always lead to believe that wet winter we've had shouldn't have been much of a problem. It was just a bit damp wasn't it 🤣 Thank you for sharing though

BonsaiGuidetoLife-opdw
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I don’t have a white pine yet, but when I do, I will keep that in mind

Akatsuki-En
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My one and only WP dropped all its needles this year, however I have new candles on 80% od the tree, so fingers crossed and eyes on the rain forecast.

jonathanaristone
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Great video Jason white pine it’s my favourite pine . I nervously nurtured mine through winter last year. Wasn’t all that harsh temp wise by certainly wet! Sorry to see the lose of your tree as I’m sure you’d agreed it isn’t the money!

nillysbonsai
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I only have one of them so far, a beautiful slender tree, purchased from Madam Bonsai. The tree is doing well so far, but this is my first Autumn/winter looking after it. Sorry that you lost your tree. Looked incredible:(. On the bright you just hit the 10 k goal, cheers to the next 10. Congratulations Jason

Bonsai_Noob
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This happened to one of mine about 7 years ago I'm in Scotland it was pretty much the exact same tree shape, size pot I got from Lee's Nursery along time ago! I have just paid alot for a new imported JWP from a private collection in the UK it's one of these thing's I just had to do as one of my favourite tree's! This has been a great video for anyone in the UK especially with white pine! They are such a beautiful species of pine, what feed are you using if you can share with me for your JWP? Maybe thanks I'm a new subscriber Scottish Bonsai was my old channel name people knew me as but seeing alot new channels appear on here great to see!

Emtbtoday
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coconut mulch mats help when we have crazy wet weather. Pin down with tent pegs.

derekgillan
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I haven’t got any pines yet but definitely want some thank you for the information appreciate it

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